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I was just thinking we could start a thread explicity for John to spout off flaming hateful irrational remarks.

That way we can limit the idiocy to this thread, and keep the other threads open for meaningful comments and discussion.

(no, this is NOT Brian Tucker starting this thread)

Brian Tucker,

I don't think JohnMaloneFan's post here lives up to your former "hugs & kisses" disclaimer.  What do you think?

Oh! what a Pain!
It's Malone again!
His Posts are Obtuse
He knows how to Refuse
Any point that is simple and Plain

I love John Malone (I mean this part sincerely).  His humble attitude, the way he always sticks to arguing issues instead of flaming and attacking people personally, and of course, his caring and compassionate disposition towards everyone make me want to give him a great big hug.  I tell ya, you can just feel the love of God oozing out of his posts.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  Seriously though, it's too bad his intelligence, knowledge of the Bible, and ability to argue well mean NOTHING to God.

obviously my hands have been tied on this issue. brent clearly believes that all perspectives should be given free voice even if they choose to express themselves in an harassing and generally obnoxious way. it would violate my sense of fair play to allow john and his cohorts to treat people the way they do, and then muzzle everyone else's honest response to that treatment. i only hope this forum will survive brent's decision to appease john and invite him back.

does that clear things up for you, mark?

Brian and general audience of this BB;

Rest assured, no one is giving Mr. Malone any credibility. It's obvious he has serious issues...both spiritually and emotionally. I would encourage us all to take a deep breath, swallow our anger and re-focus on our efforts to reconcile, restore and encourage one another in this difficult time.

"They will know we are Christians by our love..."

Folks, I know John and he's really a pussy-cat, however, Brad...you're right.  "A wise man wins souls"...John, you're supposed to catch men not thrash them.  John, you have a lot to say, consider how you say it - "A gentle tongue breaks the bone."  Your harsh words are simply stirring up anger.  All the good your attempting to convey gets lost in the provocations

It's all about grace, my friend...I'm for you, buddy!

Lover of Your Soul, Chuck

Chuck Vanasse
chuck@vanant.com

For the record regarding John J. Malone Sr.

Notwithstanding his immense popularity, or the fond feelings he invokes among the members of our little online community,  I will happily admit that:

John J. Malone, Sr. has been correct, on every level, with regard to his assesment of George Geftakys and his servants.  No one I have spoken to sees the issues, or comprehends the gravity of the situation more clearly than he does, and that definitely includes myself.

Again, the previous paragraph has no bering on the kind words, or playfull leg pulling (Jerking? wrenching?) ;D that John often engages in here.  

If you are having a hard time figuring something out, give John a call.  He is actually a gentleman on the phone, soft spoken, articulate and polite.

If you have a hard time believing me, call him yourself.  If his posts bother you, don't read them, call him instead.

I am not going to give out his phone number, but he probably would.

Brent

Verne Right!

If John "gets to you" chances are you've got some balancing issues yourself.  Artfully pulling your leg is right.

Like I said he's a pussy-cat...A Leo the lion pussy-cat and he bites... ;D
But, most of the bites are good natured...just hard to figure-out when he's kidding and when...he's, ur...not.

Chuck

Umm, can we return to netural corners?

G

Has it ever occured to you Mr Malone, that this web site is NOT about you?

John, John, John...!

You get way too personal with folks and you offend. Please Brother...

Don't do this.  

Everytime you post think through Ephesians 4:29...edifying, wholesome and giving grace...If it's not doing that - building up - you're going backwards.  Better to be wrong and act foolish so that the truth would not be maligned.  However, since you so frequently have such salient insights - and, folks get so bothered with your delivery - your pithy wisdom gets tainted.  What a waist!

John, John, John...Please dear brother Chill !!!  

John, would you please start laying down some of your cards on Mike Zach and Omaha? I would like a full airing of the deeds of this man.  Let's get down to business.

He divided a family, slandered a good man and more....much more.
All of GG's todies must come into the light.  They must be disgorged from the darkness.  The time has come.

Lover of Your Soul, Chuck

Hi, John,

Can I diagnose Brad Mathias's father for you.

During the 20 years he was in the Assembly he led many people to Christ. He preached the gospel unashamedly.

He had a particular burden for teens and led our youth groups for many years. In fact, it was this ministry that caused him TO LEAVE THE ASSEMBLY 15 YEARS AGO.

It was his desire to shield the college aged saints from George and Betty's flawed doctrine that led him to leave the Assembly.

Did he enable George at any time during his 20 years. Probably. Through God's grace was this revealed to him. Yes. Did he repent? Yes.

God forgave him, but it seems John Malone cannot.

So what has Gerald Mathias done since then? Led many people to Christ. Shared the gospel unashamedly.

He has two sons. Both have given their lives to Christ and are married to Christian women.

I wonder, John, how you can justify holding a grudge against a brother in Christ for so many decades? I wonder how you publicly bad mouth a brother in Christ who 1) turned from this enabling that you despise so much and 2) you have absolutely no current knowledge about.

It seems you have absolutely no fear of God to attack one of his children in this manner. Chilling.

But that much is obvious by your pride and arrogance. To believe that because you were able to see through George before others somehow gives you the right to judge those others is very revealing.

You talk a lot about Christ, John, but I don't see Christ in you. I don't see compassion, forgiveness or humility. You may believe you have a special calling to expose an evil doctrine (and I believe that may very well be true), so it's sad that you make it so hard for anyone to listen to you.

An old sales quote, "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." And you, John, don't seem to care nearly so much about your brothers and sisters in Christ as you do about tearing them down, ridiculing them and judging them.

I guess I'm next.

Scott

John,
What about what Chuck said? Any observations?

Whoops. You already did. Sorry.

Hi Luke!

you are wrong, and I am correcting you.

Brent

Luke, yep, you got it!

Why get people all bothered about frivolity...If something's rotten in Denmark let's not be pecking each other about the bird cage needing to be cleaned in someone's basement.

For crying out loud, lives have been destroyed and John has access to the real narrative on the tragedy.

There are still parts of the assembly structure that are at this moment plotting & planning toward a reassertion of GG's organization.

Malone is a keeper of a significant amount of the data related to this.  So, to see him in some personal squabble seems less than meaningless as well as waiste of the precious capital of credibility.

Chuck Vanasse

Dear Chuck and everyone else,

I am sorry for that last post that I put on here.  It was dishonoring and disrespectful.  I am sorry and this is the reason that I erased it.  I was wrong.  

Thanks Brent for telling me.

A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson

There is a simple explanation for this: takes one to know one.

May I suggest that you call John on the phone?  Soft-spoken...polite.  Worse things could happen.

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[Brad Mathias, wearing black]
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. I have been talking with Brent Tr0ckman for over a year now, trying to get my family back together. This is the same family that YOUR FAMILY, including your your dad, helped keep split up when he met my folks. This is the same family that Dan Smith helped out so much, the same Dan Smith your dad helped George run off in Tuscola before George took over the gathering there.[/color]

 


Now you're stating, "I don't have a grudge against Gerald: I scarcely know him. You are making up an issue that's not there. You jumped in the middle of this, and are WAY off base."

Please reconcile these two statements.

Scott

what a spectacle.

brent and chuck:
look at yourselves! you are falling all over each other trying desperately to do damage control on john's behalf. you are doing this because you can see how out of line he is, but you don't want to admit this too openly because of some kind of awe you have of him that relates in some way to his ability to criticize the assembly. of course he is really good at harshly criticizing the assembly: he would appear to be harshly critical of pretty much everything and everybody. he has been building up his criticism muscles for decades. its his specialty. its not that he has any great insights, rather he is a kind of criticism bomb, and you were hoping to contain the direction he would blow in. now you've got your hands full. are you suprised by this? he is just warming up. he established his posting pattern pretty quickly: he looks for someone to say something he can criticize, then he swoops in for the kill. if they are still wriggling, he looks for their weakest and most sensitive points and hits them again as hard as he can. he fights dirty, and for no reason. and you want us to just ignore this kind of posting? live in denial? "oh, look, john just insulted that nice young man's father. now he is mocking that woman who suffered abuse. heh heh heh - thats our john. isn't he cute? he is such a kidder." i see him viciously and deliberately trying to hurt people, and i am not amused. my interpretation of your post, chuck, was very similar to luke's. its like you are chuckling a bit and saying "ok, john, c'mon, please stop trying to deliberately crush innocent people - lets get on to the real reason we keep you around: crushing mike zach."

i'm sure there is more corruption to be exposed, and i think the only way such corruption can ever be healed is by an open and honest facing up to the facts of what has been going on. if john has such amazing and valid points then let him write an article about them. in my mind, there is no excuse for allowing him (or encouraging him!) to bully the people on this board, whether they are in or out of the assembly. bullying is always bad, period.

i decided to engage john in open debate because it is easier for me to watch him come after me than other people on this board. i am totally unafraid of his clumsy yet vicious attacks, but he can and has really hurt other people. i feel a sense of responsibility for that because i am helping admin this board. it grieves me. i am perplexed that it does not grieve you.

just out of respect for the integrity of the historical record, john malone was never banned from this board for anything he posted. after i put up that header message telling everyone to place nice in the sandbox, john deleted all of his own posts and went away, all by his own choice. maybe a week later he came back and dropped into a chat room under the assumed name "mdeadly" and tried to freak everyone out by anouncing he had hacked into the website. meanwhile he was sending brent a barrage of emails, and when brent became convinced john had finally crossed the line in some things john had emailed to him, brent decided to ban him from the bb. thats when john started his own website, naming this place as "vile" etc. but apparently john has been wanting back into this vile place pretty badly, because he finally convinced brent to publicly apologize and unban him, and now he is back in all his glory.

i will answer john's childish attacks on my character another time. for those of you who stood up for me, a heartfelt thank you. it means a lot to me. and i also thank you, brent, for putting confidence in me. i will not let you down. even if i disagree with your decisions on occasion  :) i think it is good and healthy when we can have honest differences of opinion and still trust one another.

this for now, and more as time allows,

brian

He reminds me of one of those extreme right-wingers that they brought on Donahue (what is it now-Oprah?) to be antagonistic with the other guests--some people who were involved in some form of blatant sin or another.  They would never bring someone who was normal, likeable and who had good answers.  They'd bring someone in like John who would be sure to stir up the crowd by his purposefully blunt and harsh comments.
Hmm...now there's one on this board.  Well, I stopped watching Donahue because that stuff doesn't interest me.

John,
You ego speaks a lot louder than your words. Desist.

Oops - YOUR (not you) ego. :)

you are really milking this angle, aren't you? you have written maybe 10 open accusations against me on this board in the past 24 hours, claiming that i have never been saved, and never believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and made many ugly conclusions about my character as a result. these claims only prove what a fool you are to those who actually know me. what is your basis for this? simply that from the time you started making these wild accusations, i had all of an hour to produce my entire spiritual biography for you to paw through, otherwise i was conceeding the point?

i recieved the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior when i was five years old. i remember it clearly. i was babtised when i was 13 years old. from the time i was a small child, the one overarching goal of my life was to serve God - it was all i ever wanted, more then life itself. there was nothing i would not sacrifice for this noble calling. it was all the meaning in my life. those of you who knew me know how seriously and deeply i was committed. as a result, some of you may even have a general sense of how painful it has been for me to be forced to question what was for so long the most basic definition of my existence to me. what threw everything into question for me was the inconsistency and hypocrisy i witnessed in the assembly.

the only thing i will say about the current state of my faith is that i am no longer sure what to believe in. i have a lot of painful soul-searching i am in the middle of. i deeply respect the christian faith. i am healing from third-degree burns and i don't feel like exposing them to a bonfire. i finally am exposing them, but not for your sake, john. i am saying these things so that those who don't know any better then to be misled by john's cruel behavior won't be.


who is served by your treatment of me, and others you disagree with? certainly not Jesus Christ. you say intentionally hurtful things in order to try and win arguements that you could not win by strength of mind alone. you attempt to confuse the issue by attacking the person you are debating with, rather then presenting your side of the argument. this is a common logical fallacy (obviously the most horrible person in the world could present a valid counterpoint), but what makes you so much worse than the typical illogical debater is how vicious you become in your attempts to hurt and discredit people. you enjoy it.


first of all, since when have you had a problem with mocking?
second, lots of different people go into the mission field, such as george geftakys.
third, even though people who do not deserve respect do go into the mission field, i do instinctively respect those who go because in the vast majority of them it shows a sincerity of committment that i can strongly identify with.
fourth, i wasn't mocking them. i was communicating how absurd this situation is becoming. then again, once you fall down the rabbit hole, who knows how far you may go...?



this balatant threat and open declaration that you are going to try and run me off the boards is an open violation of your user agreement. however, since brent is the one who escorted you back onto this website, i feel my hand are tied in this matter and i defer to his judgement of when you have crossed enough lines to be curtailed. i still would not yet ban you, because everyone deserves a chance to change their ways.


what boastings are you talking about? i have said nothing against god or christianity. don't try to make this into a holy war. all the things you have said about me are a direct result of my challenging your position on spousal abuse. you quit defending your position and focused on trying to run me off the boards.

others are praying i remain as admin. you will all get an answer - one or the other will happen.

if brent ever wants me to step down as admin, he wouldn't need to boot me. i wouldn't be trying to hack back into the website, and i wouldn't start setting myself up under assumed names, as you did. all i would need from him is a simple request to stop being an admin. done, and no hard feeling. but until that comes from him, i will do the best job i can as an admin.


and yet you did make a public declaration. why exactly?
i am not cackling. this is the saddest and most distasteful job i have faced since joining this project.
"flood of lies..."?? a flood would indicate i am posting at an amazingly high rate, yet you post easily twice as much as i do in direct response to me, and in open attacks on me. i simply don't have as much time as you do to waste in this necesary silliness.

what lies have i told, specifically? and don't say the best lies contain some truth, and leave it at that. this is another one of john's famous innuendos. if you cannot identify lies in what i have written, then all charges must be dropped and a bigger man than yourself would aplogize for slandering me.


thats so thoughtful of you, john. but don't you think you are reading a bit too much into a mere message board? you are setting yourself up, all over what? a discussion about how to handle situations of spousal abuse? yeah, i still think they should be reported to the authorities.  ???


and yet another of john's now-famous innuendos. what deeds have i done that are evil, exactly, john? argue with you?

i am wasting too much time on this nonsense. i hope you get my point across for me soon. i wonder how much more it will actually take?

brian[/quote]

Thank you Brian!!

I was hoping you would answer, simply because you were asked point blank.  No, you shouldn't have been asked in this manner, but since were, it's a relief to see an answer come straightforward from you.

And that is an EXCELLENT description of what we all are going through.  3rd degree burns, hurting and trying to heal with a minimal amount of scar tissue.

And, the greatest harm here is just what you said -- we now have a new apprehension, a reserve to trust anything or anyone.

This definitely has the potential to make some doubt their faith completely and walk away confused into darkness.

As one who has had a lot of experience on the Internet in the form of discussion groups (and I'm sure there are many here coming out or still in the assembly who may not be so familiar with such things) there are people out there who are known as 'trolls'.

Trolls used to be defined as an ugly-looking ogre who would wait for innocent passers-by and tear them to pieces.

In the modern sense of the word, a troll is someone 'addicted to negative attention', 'an annoying pest looking to start an argument', 'someone who states their viewpoint over and over', or 'someone obsessed with a narrow topic'.

As the history of John Malone Sr.'s posts have shown since his posting privileges were restored, he's much more interested in getting attention and starting arguments (otherwise known as 'flame wars' in Usenet jargon) in his ad hominum attacks on Brian and others. He has made some positive contributions as well, which I do not discount; however when he starts in on someone I simply ignore him. To reply to his attacks, innuendo and/or accusations is just to meet his need for attention.

I'm sure a phone call to John Malone Sr. will achieve the same effect for attention, and it is clear that he is a cogent and reasonable individual. And I'm sure he has some positive contributions to make. In the interest of free-speech and 'letting the light in' I agree with Brent's decision to restore John Malone Sr.'s posting privileges; however in view of the fact that he may attack a particular person's viewpoint at any time, we all need as a group to simply keep in mind whether or not a perceived attack from him would only further a 'troll-like' desire to receive negative attention.

This board and positive contributions from so many people, including Mr. Malone's at times, needs to be preserved. Brent and Brian have spent a lot of time and energy to put all this together, and there's a lot of hurting people who need the wisdom and experience of many others who have already left to help in the healing process.

The Lord knows that I'm still healing after six years. I couldn't contribute to the post on stuff I got away with during my 15 years in the assembly, because I was so earnest in my endeavor for what I thought was God's best at that time.

(Putting on asbestos flame-retardant outfit) Mr. Malone, it is my hope that people will learn to ignore you when you are clearly speaking out of line, and that they will also listen to what you have to contribute as it is clear you know a lot about theology and assembly experience.

Written sincerely,
Dale Yuzuki

John, I do not have your intellect or ability to argue.  I am not half your age and have not had near the amount of experience as you have.  But I do know this; Your response to Brian was utterly reprehensible.  It is certainly not an act of love to rip into someone who is having sincere doubts about his faith.  Honestly, did you really think that THAT was going to stengthen it?  Remember, "Whatsoever is not of love is not of the Father."  John, that post against Brian was NOT of the Father.  May God have mercy on you as He has had mercy on me.    

John,
Your love of debate is getting the best of you and it's not furthering your cause at all. Ben's right and so is Dale.  Don't be a "troll" anymore. We need your input not your vituperative words.
Pat :-[

John, I agree with Pat.

Expose sin or heal the hurt - Seek to work with the Lord to see redemption...Leave personal attacks out of any equation.

In doing so, you'd only be serving the interests of the enemy.

Your friend, Chuck

Knucklehead,

I know John, and he has a habit of digressing...He has a lot to say, and when he says a lot and it means little he defeats his ability to genuinely say something of any importance.

I like John, but he drives me crazy cause he misses the moment and instead runs around bullying-up on folks that would be better left alone.

He's not ministering to Brian...He's injuring Brian and others.

John needs to chill and focus on more salient issues.

Chuck Vanasse

Knucklehead,

One more thing...You're absolutely correct about Brian.  

Brian, pick on someone your one size - a bit smaller.  You're in over your head with Malone.  I know John was traveling yesterday, I just hope he is going to to walk by your provocations.

"Don't take a dog by the ears."

One last note...No one on this site knows John Malone better than Patty Mathews, so if she starts to lecturing John, leave her alone. They're freindship goes back to when they were kids in school in Omaha.  She's got John's number.

Knucklehead, I'd also take your own advice and stay out of it.

All the best, Chuck Vanasse

Knucklehead, I will respectfully stand by my post until you are willing to show me in what way it was disrespectful.  I sincerely believe that I was standing up against abuse directed at a fellow Christian, not trying to demean an older, more experienced man.

I'm w/ you bro. Ben!

Chuck, Pat, Ben, etc.  You guys are missing the point.  John M. has the unique ministry among you former lodgites (Chuck, I know you are not a former lodgite, but you are in touch with your inner lodge).  He sees things very clearly as he has been out of the lodge for over 20 years.  He is the one guy who has been there that will tell you the truth, and take all of your criticism in the process.

He has had the same ministry in my life.  I was saved through his bible study back in 1983.  John will not manipulate or stroke your ego.  He will tell you your problems whether you want to hear them or not.  I know that most of you do not like that.  If John was a man that did not know the Scriptures this would be hard to take.  He is the only man that can get through to some of you as you leave the lodge with much residue.  Others on this BB that are complimenting you and stroking you are not helping you.  "Faithful are the wounds of a friend."  Ask Brent what he thinks of John now.  Some of you that knew John 20 years ago with your lodge-colored glasses do not know him at all.  

John M. has been a blessing in my life as well as in the lives of my wife and children.   I have never known John to take money or desire titles or fame for ministry.  I challenge you to find those qualities among those in your life that are "supposedly" doing the work.

My advise is, "Listen to him" or in other words, "Take heed."

Regards,

MM

Mark,

The issue is that people do not like to be demeaned, name-called and (when they express offence) have the issue unjustifiably turned around on them as if they are the problem.  Further, alienating your audience is not a fitting or proper way to minister.

I'm sure our brother John has ministered greatly to you and others and has said some good, true things at stategic times.  No one is denying that he is part of God's family and has an important role in it.

However, I cannot in my mind justify his expression of poor social skills as "speaking the truth in love".  One does not "faithfully wound a friend" with a baseball bat.

Further, I don't think being out of the Assembly for 20 years entitles him to a unique ministry and perspective.  There are many who have been out for a long time and think clearly on these matters.   He is one among many good men and women who may disagree on some of the issues.  These disagreements should be handled respectfully, not in the caustic and overbearing way that John has developed a reputation for on line.

John has used many of the techniques that George has used on us for years - demeaning comments, name calling, condecention and blame switching.  We justfied George's behavior for years using the same line of thinking you are, Mark - pointing out George's unique ministry and perspective, his desire to "be a faithful shepherd", his "being on his knees before an open Bible for 20, 30, 40 years", and the argument "we cannot have a legitimate response because we don't have the same clear vision he does".

I was young when I fell for this the first time.  I'm certainly not going to fall for it again.

Mark,
There is no question that John has been instrumental in the lives of many.
I wish I could believe that he is getting through to many. I think he is very capable of doing so because of his experiences and his knowledge. This is not about people needing compliments or strokes, but about what the proverbs wisely say:
  "A man has joy in an apt answer, and how delightful is a timely word."  

  "Like apples of gold in settings of silver is a word spoken in right
    circumstances."

 "A  gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

If John wants to serve the people on this website, which I know he does, I just wish that he would temper his remarks with mercy and compassion. The truth he tells is so cloaked in what many perceive as personal attacks, that the message is lost because all they see is John's skillful debating abilities and what they perceive to be angry, bitter responses.  
You are right that many of us, myself included, do not know John well anymore. By the same token, he does not know many of us very well anymore either. Twenty-five years is a long time and people in the assembly were changing also (at least I can speak for myself) during that time (in spite of GG, et al) because God is faithful.
No one here, to my knowledge, has intimated that John wants anyone's money, or desires a title, or fame.  We are here because we obviously came or are coming to our senses and realized that those "supposedly doing the work" did want just that. We have begun to remove our "lodge-colored glasses", if you will.
John has a vested interest in this situation. I want to see the best happen in terms of his and my family and in the lives of others. I am just of the opinion that his methods may not bring the desired result.
Pat

Dave,
I couldn't agree more. Mark, maybe you can help John with this perspective. Will he listen to you?  Does he listen to those who disagree with him? If he wants a hearing on this website I think he is going to have to take heed to people like Dave, Chuck, Verne, and, yes, even that young whippersnapper, Ben.  If he refuses, then he will lose his audience. What a shame. I hope you, Bill, Reene, etc  can help him see this. But, I have to wonder if you see it.
Pat

Hey now, german rocks

You are going in circles here Knuck.  Ben stated that he was not an equal of John to debate in an academic discourse, not that this 'lacking' would affect the validity of his statement.  I think he mentioned it to show that John's comment does not need to be studied in an extremely careful light to be shown to be inappropiate.  

As for 'moving about', would you not say that this is what Ben is doing?  He has moved away from the assembly standards to find out what beliefs he personally holds, and is here contributing in discussion.  

Hast thou nothing better to do?

Mark,

I come down on both sides of the John Malone phenomena...

Yes, John has something to say!  However, he loses a bunch of style points on delivery, and therefore he narrows his audience to a few of us who can warm up to his fire and still stand the smoke.

Solomon says, "A wise man should grasp one thing and not let go of its opposite, for he who fears God comes forth with both of them."

I'd like to John be as bold as he has been - and even bolder (and, he and I have been emailing about this issue) - but, he has such an abrasive style it closes eyes that would otherwise be opened.

And, this is for you John....glub-glub-glub.

Muchas Gracias, Amigos!

Rudy!

Yes!  Yes!  Yes! If someone wants to get personal take it off-line and spare the rest of us.  

Hoping for world peace... :D Chuck Vanasse

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...

Come-on dude..."Love believes all things"...I said "hoping" for world peace...Hey and the last chapter says there will be world peace!  All things reconciled to himself... WOW! There will be peace - everywhere. To give up hope is a tragic error!  He has overcome the world.  Let's not lose sight of the facts, even if they're future facts. Don't despair, Rudy!

I'm a pessimistic optimist...when things are real bad and getting worse, there is super potential for super good.

Hoping against hope...

Chuck Vanasse
chuck@vanat.com

You are speaking of the time after the"terrible times"
in 1Timothy - the thought of some psuedo peace
is what we are to expect before the a'c' presents
himself as god. It will get worse than we are experiencing
now - worse to the point where you and I, if we are so
honored, to be martyred like the saints of old. This issue
of gg isn't persecution. It's a matter of taking care of business.
Are you ready to not deny Christ in the face of death ?
That is the issue. The Issue of John Malone, Sr. is a distraction
from the things that matter.

Yep.

Chuck, thanx.

Not a long drawn out treatise. Just a simple agreement.

Hope to see you.

Rudy

uh, not sure what this was in response to, but the name of this thread is 'john malone'

the issue of john malone's drive to hurt people dosen't matter because in the future a lot of people will be hurt?
 ???

just checkin' in...

Brian,

1. This site is cluttered

2. People are looking for help that are
    in the assembly.

3. People that are looking for help are
    being ignored.

4. And come on, a whole site dedicated
    to something that is taking time, effort
    and energy away from 300+ people.
    Can't that energy be put to use, lets
    say for feedback on how to counsel someone
    coming out of the assembly ?
    (That was Brent's idea)

Hi Mark,

I don't communicate very well in writing or probably verbally but my heart is grieving over some of my dear friends that are in bondage because of twisted thinking that we were taught in the assembly. So just a few thoughts for you to consider regarding some statements you made.  Because I believe my God is sooooooo..... much bigger than any one person.  


Jesus Christ is the only one who can save you from your sins.  Now you did not say that this was your conversion to Christianity so maybe I read into it.  But I still highly doubt that a person can save you from any circumstance without God's intervention. Yes even a guy like John whom you respect.  

 
What makes you think God is limited to John to get through to some of us on this board.  I would not want to limit God because we all know God used a donkey to speak to the prophet and got through to the prophet. :) Num. 22:21-35

I bring these points up because some people in the assembly will say the "assembly saved them".  It is really difficult for them to see that God did not need the assembly to save them.  Did he use men & women in their lives to show them Christ?  Yes, but the assembly did not save them.  I am not trying to be an offender for words, but have dear beloved friends in the assembly still that have a hard time completely acknowledging who saved them.  Out of the mouth the heart speaks, and they will tell you that the assembly saved them.  But when questioned further about who saved them, they state "God saved me but....." and go on to defend how the assembly saved them from the path they were traveling.

Lord Bless

Lorretta

Mark ?

Who is Mark ?

Rudy

Mark is Mark Mancuso  ( guest) over on page 3.  

Lorretta

Oh, Oh, over on page three.

This is in the course of what 10 - 15 minutes?
No, that's 3 hours ago ! Not my bad is it ......

Mark is right, John is right(half time) deal w/ it.

i can't believe this.........

Five pages on this string .........

"If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal...Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
BEARS ALL THINGS, BELIEVES ALL THINGS, HOPES ALL THINGS, ENDURES ALL THINGS, LOVE NEVER FAILS."  I Cor. 13

John, There is a lot of noisy and clanging sounds coming from you. Bear, Believe, Hope, and Endure all things...the love of God.

Ladies and gentlemen!!!!  Boys and girls!!!!!!!  Welcome to the biggest joke to hit the globe...the JOHN MALONE CIRCUS!!!!!!  With Mr. Malone himself as ringmaster and all of you in his three rings!!!  What a folly, joke, and disgrace!!!!  Why waste your time particapating in this ridiculous act???  THE WORDS OF JOHN MALONE ARE NOT IN RED!!!!  Who cares what this sad, sad man has to say?  I hope we're not really taking him seriously, are we???  Take the tent down and do something productive like juggle...

Dear Mr. Malone,

Thank you for your lovely letter addressed to me when my brother wrote it.  Please regard this in the future.

Dear Everyone Else,

Yes, Mr. Malone is very funny, IN ALL RESPECT AND HUMILITY(did you get all that?)  He does bring up some good points now and then, but most of all he just uses his age to totally disregard anything that you have to say.  

Yes, we all know that he is a grandfather, IN ALL RESPECT AND HUMILITY.  And yes, we all know that if he was our fathers, he would beat the "disrespect" out of us, IN ALL RESPECT AND HUMILITY.  

Frankly, John, if you were my father, and I found out how you treated people on this site and your own lovely web site, I would talk to you, IN ALL RESPECT AND HUMILITY.  I would probably get the tar beaten out of me, but I wouldn't give up on you.  And if you were my grandfather and I found out about this behavior, I would talk to you, IN ALL RESPECT AND HUMILITY.  Again, I would probably get the tar beaten out of me, and you would take away my Corn Huskers tickets.  But that's okay, because I got my point across.  And when I would be old enough, I would move far away as to not be the brunt of your physical and verbal beatings any longer.

I respect you very much.  Mr. Malone, I know the old saying: "You have to earn respect."  And you see, God has taught me to respect you, even though you have disrespected me and many others on this web site.  

Life is short.  And what is the point of trying to make enemies when you are a grandfather, and time keeps ticking away?  I just don't understand why you would do such things.  

But I still have hope for you and pray for you.  Keep writing and maybe one day, you will stop treating others like dirt, and therefore, it will save a lot of space on this web site.

Thank you for your time.

A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson
   

ditto that...

Michelle,

you're goin' crazy on us...we have no idea what you're talking about...calm down a bit, take a deep breath and try again and make some sense...

JohnMaloneFan

well, there we have it...

JohnMaloneFan

Uh, John, you wrote this yourself on your own site -  "'Excommunicated' Again!"

good to know you're against this john.  ::) excommunication from a bb is what you tried to do to me.

do i have to point out the obvious? i wasn't going to, but shoot, i'm already typing. all those things you listed as my lies, um, yeah, they're all true. thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.

i'm sorry, but i just have to ask, how can anyone here take john seriously as a debater? he poorly represents flawed ideas. (put that on your list, john) he is incapable of understanding his fellow debaters points, or he quickly forgets them. these are poor debating skills. trust me, i have taken far more dangerous and influential dogs by the ears. what i have been doing here with john was merely a temporary mental diversion, driven by a morbid curiosity to see what he would do or say next.

carry on...

Uh-oh...10 points for Brian!

Watch out...it's gettin' serious, folks...

BrianTuckerFan

John,
The really dangerous people in the world are not the ignorant twisted, but the intelligent twisted.

You were right about GG long ago and nobody cared.  I think it did something to you as it did my father.  You are on a mission to expose, debate, lecture etc. ad nauseum.  This has become a twisted obsession with you void of the fruits of the spirit.

When will you put down your sword?  Frodo, quit putting on the ring.   Samwise is your friend, not your enemy.  We are on the journey to help one another.  The enemy still works in our midst when we can do nothing but attack those with whom we share a goal - knowing Christ.

Sincerely,
Ann Vanasse

Ann,
The 'intelligent twisted' are GG and BG, not John Malone. I haven't seen anything John has written that has been "twisted".

"ad nausem"? I, for one, appreciate what John has to say on  the issues that he has responded to. There is now a lot of questioning of issues that were not questioned before, and I appreciate what he has to say.  The lodge isn't dead, yet, and it's in all of us.

It hurts to change.

Jantje

Doesn't seem to be anymore Geftakyslodge.com but this was interesting.

If you want you can hear John Sr preach live!

Pictures, quotes and an article about him.

http://www.biblestudy.net/#

http://www.millardcommunitychurch.com/Pages/News/OWH_John_Malone.htm