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Tim is working?!!!  My respect for him just increased 100%

Dave,

I know Tim has worked before at a number of jobs. I worked with him at one. I'm not saying he worked for a long time or experienced "sanctification" the way you suggest but he did work.

Tim is working now also. Probably not what he'd like to be doing but he has a job and is pounding the pavement.

You might ask why I'm speaking up for Tim but just know that I want to be just and I want to attempt to be objective in all I share from now on here on this site. Tim is no angel but Tim is a brother. He is facing unbelievable contests and I for one am glad my name is not Geftakys. His name is Geftakys and his brother is David, his father is George and his mother is Betty. May the Lord have mercy on him.

Tony,

Yes, Loretta and I have talked about this very thing - wondering what it is like for Tim to have to start a new career in his early 50s.  He's a capable guy so I think he will find something, but it will not be easy.

-Dave

Ex-ministers are good car salesman

Tony You are right!  I would never want to trade places with Tim, I guess I am pretty angry at the fact that I was told to get "advice" about my lifes deciscions (ask permission)  from this guy.  Why? Tell me what (Until recently)  does he know about life?  The guy was given full charge of the house of prayer  (10 brothers)  when he was still in college.  He never has been fully responsible for his rent, car, cooking cleaning his home etc.... Now it looks like he's going to get his position back.  HEY GOD HOW COME ???

Oh there's loads of reasons for anger. Tim is dodging arrows and stones probably on an hourly basis. I think we had an opportunity to address the proper way for him to react to these projectiles. The easiest ways, self justification and fatalism are not the correct ways. Each accusation MUST be taken seriously. I hope that the scars and callouses that are formed do not make him impenetrable.

BTW the actualization of the statement "get his position back" must not be allowed. My belief is that the ones who have stepped down should not exercise leadership in any way. Tim insists that he is not starting or re-starting anything - in direct response to the home Bible study mentioned in a post. We shall be watching!

The way I'm interpreting resigning from leadership is that they are admitting serious failure for many years and the forfeiture of responsibility is absolute - no probationary period.

Any thoughts?

Yes initially I thought so but after reading "who are The wolves" It looks like things haven't changed!  i think their admission that these things went on under "our" leadership disqualifys them from having it back.

I'm not saying I believe this is what theymeant by resigning at all. I'm saying it's what I interpret as true resignation.

I would appreciate these guys not speaking at all, not exercising their life long habits of control regardless of how seemingly insignificant that may be. The problem right now is that they are obliged to speak because they are the principals in these recent events. Whether we believe them or not, we have to let them communicate the detials from their posiiton. Afterwards we can discount, dismiss, accept or process and argue if we wish.

Hi Tony, I was not aware that Tim is communicating with anyone at this time?  If so I am surprised because what I read in the wolves article.  At any rate i do not trust him becaus eI have yet to see him on this BB apologizing for all the junk he passed out and passed over these last twenty/thirty years!

See...this is what I am talking about. Is this a fact.? it is not, Brent, are you going to remove this?

Dear Accurate

I immediately removed portions of that article, before your very intelligent posts appeared on this BB.  

You will also notice that I call for Tim to make a public declaration of where he stands.  I also asked him to tell me this in writing.

I am willing to do it, so are plenty of others.  why not Tim.

The article has already been updated, and so noted.

Again, what is not accurate?

Brent

i am sick of the attacks on Tim G. here. doesnt anyone realize the burden he is carrying. after all, he stood for truth in excommunicating his own dad. how many of us would have the guts to do that?
watch out for piranas here!

Poor Tim

He has really had it tough.  Does anyone else agree with me and compassionate?

Brent

Oh, hi Tim!  

After hearing from a sister or two that George had been unfaithful, it was Tim's duty as an elder and  leader to do what he did. Don't be giving him too much credit. Instead, be looking for true humility and repentance from him for not standing up to George years ago. Because you wouldn't have the "guts" as you put it, don't be excusing Tim.

Yes, we should be compassionate by putting Tim but especially George at the top of our prayer lists. Is God able to transform them? Have we believed in vain? God is able.

Hi Chuck I lived with your brother Mike in the early 80s when all that stuff with your Dad was happening.  Sorry, I really didn't understand much just that your dad was a "Liar"  I also lived with mike and his wife in 94.  Hows is he?  Whats he up to?

David, the people who slandered my Dad-in-law as a "liar" and worse for WARNING the church about George 25 years ago in Omaha, these men are currently  experiencing the knowing eye of God - some to be sure are repenting and others like Mike Zach are still weighing out their repentance.  Humility comes hard for those old stiff-necked idolaters.  

They loved the despicable Fraud-Monster...So, many lives destroyed because they did not listen to a faithful witness.

They loved Geftakys the despicable Fraud-Monster.

Chuck's faithfulness cost him his family...George had his children whisked away to California during the height of Chuck's faithful witness to George's evil ways.

Mike Zach and Jim Hayman feared George and executed evil in his name.  They worked quickly, brutally and with bitter resolution.

Yes, God lives!  Chuck Miller is quite well.  He's 75, has 33 grandchildren; he's still walking hardily with the Lord, having celebrated 52 years of marriage to Mary Ann...David, I would be interested to receive your witness to the treatment of Chuck Miller by Jim Hayman and Mike Zach if the Lord would so lead you.  The Lord seeks goodness and peace...Let justice roll down like many waters! Please feel free to write me at chuck@vanant.com, sweet brother.  

God's best for Mike Zach and Jim Hayman depend on bold men stepping forward and making a faithful witness to their deeds. Deeds perpetrated in the darkness by assembly leadership are best seen in the light of day NOW rather than later at the judgment seat of Christ.

The monster and fraud George Geftakys, Mike Zach the monster's apprentice,  with the help of the shamed Jim Hayman created an ungodly fissure in our family that lasted 25 years and has caused great stumbling to my youngest brother-in-laws with respect to the witness of Jesus Christ.

Mike Zach and Jim Hayman have stumbled many little ones.  Pray for their repentance lest the millstone find their grimy necks.

Let it be known Chuck Miller's witness in 1978 was true!  

Oh, that we had listened!

Chuck I am really sorry for what happened to Mr. Miller. I really praise God that I was never a part of authority in the assembly.  While I was there I related to the children better thn anyone else (We had a common enemy) I spent my energies working with them, Babysitting-Sunday school etc.. As an assembly flunkie I really wasn't given any info about the situation. Only that "Mr. Miller is a liar!" I tried to tell Mike why don't you just sit down and talk to him?"  But instead Mike was a real "Do whatever the leaders say"  kinda guy.
Mr. miller showd up in Fullerton one Sunday and wasn't allowed into the meetings.  Dennis Hittle (A real good Christian man)  took him out to lunch.  Chuck What is now taking place in Nebraska is something I've always knew would happen if George was exposed then the whole shabang is going to rock!!!  This church was founded upon Georges deciet.  It functioned in his deciet and it willhave to completely unravel until all is made right!  Chuck it is going to take a lifetime!!!!