AssemblyBoard

I see that "Dear  Brother Tim Geftakys"  is preaching again and is looking to take over the ministry.  After having the displeasure of having to deal with him, this is how I feel:

1.  Tim is an Ungodly man.  I have serious doubt about whether he truly believes in God.

2.  Tim is all about power.   Leading one of these groups is the only place where he could ever be in a position in leadership. His song and dance would last about 30 seconds in the working wolrd.

3. Tim is all about money He is just simply not intelligent enough to hold a job where he could kind of make the kind of money he is making now.


Tim - here is your warning...If I ever find out that you have either directly or indirectly effected anybody that I care about, I will expose you.  This website and its contents will be the absolute  least of your
 concerns.  

P.S. I've always thought that you would look really good in an orange jump suit.

Please either say what you mean or stop with the empty allogations.

I am a former assemblyite 20 years... My wife and I met with T&G; we went to the two Thursday "open" meetings in Fullerton and I just got off the phone with him. I am NOT a big Tim Geftakys fan but I would like you to present your case openly or call Tim at 714-447-6909 and keep these posts objective.

If we get emotional or say we know something nobody else does and not share then some of us won't consider it the truth. I would prefer the truth.

Tim has preached one time (1) since the excommunication.
Tim is working, selling marketing and printing.
Tim says that he has been faithful to Ginger.

Again, let's be objective and develop a meaningful dialogue or shutup.

T

Tony:

Congratulations on being a "assemblite" for twenty years.  

The Geftakys boys have caused terrible harm to thousands of people.  Their fraudulent and self serving ministries has screwed up the lives on many many people and you want me to shut up???   These are not allegations partner, this is simply the fact of the matter.  After the way he is treated people, you want me to be objective???

Tim preaching one time since the excommunication is one to many! It is absolutely ludicrous that he would have a forum to preach in.  It is ludicrous that anyone would listen to him - whats a matter with these people!!!

 Tell him "congratulations" for finally finding full time work...Although if he is truly in sales and marketing, with his personality, he will starve.

I would rather eat broken glass than have a conversation with this evil man...

And to me, this is meaningful because I can finally get some things off my chest.  And if I'm a little emotional, I'm entitiled!!!

Bluejay,

Have you forgotten Matthew 18:15-18?

We have many hurtful dealings with other men.  Believe me, I know.  But if we set aside Christ's commands to deal with these things, how is our own behavior in any way morally superior to those who have hurt us?

Tom

tony-

it isn't very nice to say "shutup".   :-[

Can I watch???

BluejayFan

can you watch what???

LOL!  I don't think being "morally superior" was on Bluejay's mind when he said his bit about Tim.  I know I don't.  You guys ever see the film Pacific Heights?  Remember what they did to the character played by Michael Keaton?  They took some baseball bats and beat the snot out of him because he cheated them.
I would think that George and Tim should be shaking in their boots and looking over their shoulders after all this, 'cause who knows--there may have been a saint or two who was a Bruno with brass knuckles before he came under their spell and now is just itching to teach them a lesson that is long coming.  And I doubt "moral superiority" would be on his mind.  

Back in 1979 two guys pulled into the drive through dairy I worked at and stuck a gun in my face.  It was clear to me what they were about.   I wasn't debating in my mind if these guys were my friends. I wasn't spending hours upon hours in prayer questioning God  (Is this really your will?) They were honest about who they were and their intentions! "GIVE US THE MONEY OR YOU ARE DEAD!"  Yet when dealing with 'Frauds" like Tim It is a much more complex situatuion.  Tim and others, played on our best qualities to acomplish their own agendas.  With this in consideration I can understand the need you have to vent in such a way.    

Ok, here are my two cents.....

Telling someone to "shutup" is absolutely rude and uncalled for.  We are all adults to some extent...let's act like adults! >:(

I have first hand knowlegde that Tim is a fraud.  He is a mean-spirited man that is power hungry.  I lived with him and his family.  I know things about him he never intended anyone to know.

Trying to stick up for him is your business, but don't try to discredit other people who called him a fraud!!!

Ok...that was my two cents...

Well said Eulaha!!!

I am going to take tomorrow off from this website as there are many college basketball games on TV  tomorrow.  Don't worry though, I'll come back rearing and ready to go on Sunday.

Tim Geftakys - don't work to hard this weekend...Oops..Thats kind of an oxymoron isn't it.

I am in 100% full agreement w/you Tony!  To the rest, please stop taking him out of context.

First Tony is not yelling, "Shut Up!"  He is simply standing for the need to handle things in a Christ honoring way.  How do we do that?  Act and speak and finally think like Him.  He is angry with the wicked every day, but he is clear and specific and open about why he is angry (see Mt 23).  He doesn't declare, "I feel..." and then go off on nebulous accusations and threats.  Mostly, He is "full of grace" (Jn 1:14) and "rich in mercy"(Eph 2:4.

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

In the grace of God,
Your BIC, Tim (S.)

I have it on very high authority that all men are sinners.  Including me....and you,(sisters too).

It is one thing to make vague accusations about so and so being a fraud/crook/snake/deciever/whateverelseyoucanthinkof.

It is quite another to say that in such and such a time at such and such a place Brother Joe Blow stole a certain amount of money or committed a certain immoral act.  AND that I know this is true because of this or that fact.

At least most of the folks on this thread are using their real names, as far as I can tell.

Non-specific accusations of wrongdoing by anonymous posters seem just a tad below the belt to me.

Now if anyone wishes to criticise me for "telling us to shut up", all I can say is you don't understand my real intent.

It would be a little closer to the mark to say that I think you, and I, should always speak the TRUTH in love.


I have some things to discuss with Tim myself.  But he will hear them from my mouth before you see them on the board.

God bless,
Thomas Maddux

Arthur,

I would have to differ with your comment that Bluejay is not claiming to hold a morally superior position.
If I say that lying is morally wrong, the value that truth telling is superior is implicit in my statment.  You simply cannot speak of right and wrong without the underlying assumption that "right" moral acts are superior to "wrong" moral acts.

Unless, of course you are a philosophical materialist/Postmodernist or such and are claiming that there is no such thing as right or wrong....but I have not seen that in anyone's posts yet.

When Bluejay condemns Tim Geftakys, he is claiming moral superiority, whether he realizes it or not.

God bless,

Thomas Maddux

For the record:

Tim has preached more than once since he "stepped down."  He failed to mention the "other" time when Tony called him to ask about my recent article.

I know what Eulaha is talking about.  I don't know who bluejay is.

Tim is disqualified, and should not preach at all.  If people are stupid enough to allow him, and listen to him, GOOD RIDDANCE!

Brent

Well said Brent! ;D ;D ;D

Brent,
I'm glad you clarified that to me and now to everyone else. This is the type objectivity I was referring to when I posted the "shutup" message.

Various people have been deeply offended over the years by Tim and the whole Geftakys clan. I understand having to vent but I was just saying (and a little too forcefully) that I need information rather than vague references. Why can't details be included rather than amorphous allegations?

I hope we can still be friends rather than start ganging up on each other (philosophically or otherwise). I really do want this to be a rebuilding time for everyone. So, with that I apologize if my choice of words was rude.

T

He Bluejay,, Maby it would be good for you to talk with Tim.  I talked with him about 3 weeks agoand eben though he wasn't up front with me it was great to get some stuff out of my system.  

Tim Souther - I hear what your saying and under normal circumstances I would, but I just think that would be a complete and total waste of time.  

Im not trying to be sarcastic towards you but I have better things to do then talk to someone who is just going to look me in the face and lie.  He is just an extremely arrogant and dishonest man who craves power, and the assembly was the only place his act would ever fly.

I think I'll just keep posting!!!

Well Verne,

Lets take the standard, "Thou shall not steal".

If I take it upon myself to inform the world that Joe Blow is a thief, I think that anyone who read my post would be quite reasonable in concluding that I am against stealing.  In other words, that I am condemning Joe's behavior.

If I were to feel that Joe's actions were normal and acceptable, why would I be motivated to report them?

For example, regarding Tim Geftakys, who was the subject of the "accusations";  I didn't notice anyone posting that Tim Geftakys is a dirty rotton low down BREATHER!!   He has been seen BREATHING by multiple witnesses!  Its not news.  It doesn't really tell you anything about the man's character at all.

But if I call a man a thief, I am acting as an exposer of evil, an agent of righteousness who wishes others to join me in condemnation of the guilty one.  I am raising a public outcry against the man.

When Tim is called a "snake" or "rat" or whatever, I think that that is dirty pool.
Even the Pharisees had to meet minimum standards of justice.  "Does our law condemn a man unheard?", "In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established."

If a poster has an accusation against Tim G., they should step up to the plate and say what it is.  If they don't like the man, they should say so AND say why with some specificity.  

But just standing back and hurling nasty names and insults at people is nothing but reviling.

In saying this, I don't mean to say that I think Tim G. is an innocent victim.  I just mean that people who undertake to remove the mote from Tim Geftakys' eye should make sure that they themselves are acting properly.

Thomas Maddux

I think those who know the truth about  Geftakys  are are moving forward and away from it's bondage.
 As a parent I am concerned for young people including my own children who could be deceived by a George or a Tim that the assembly is "Gods testimony on this earth". We all heard that those in fellowship in a place other than the assembly were "missing out " on Gods best. That is one heck of a snare.
Obviously you can protect your  children by the example of your own personal relationship with God and dialog with them.
My heart aches for the newly saved who are hungry for the truth and are 'baited' with what comes out of George and Tims mouth. I remember George once said in a St Louis meeting that he was "fascinated by the psychology of man and enjoyed the study of it",  he learned it well. George definately knows what buttons to push and what strings to pull. We can protect our own children how can we protect our new brothers and sisters in Christ ?

On the idea of moving from specific to general, point well taken.

Each one of the Geftakys clan is an individual though.  I confronted Tim G. back in 1990
 with the existence of Dorian Enterprises, a corportation controlled by the assembly.  
Tim's response indicated to me that he simply didn't know about it.
So I think each one has their own level of involvement.

I attended a prayer meeting of the Fullerton assembly a couple of weeks ago.  A brother came up to me, shook my hand, and said, "forgive me for shunning you, brother".  My response was "I always understood that you folks believed you were serving God in doing it, but as you now see, you were wrong."

I think one must differentiate between acts resulting from being a recipient of false teaching, and acts resulting from a desire to harm or bully.  The problem is that only God can see the heart.

I'm willing to forgive any of these brothers if I believe they have genuinely repented.  But there needs to be a demonstration of repentence that involves seeking out the victims and dealing honestly with issues.   Just an "I'm sorry" directed to no one in particular seems a little weak.

God bless,
Tom Maddux

Well said Verne!!!

Are you serious??????? It displays the manifold wisdom of God about as much as the front of a school bus does...

VerneFan

HearYeHearYe...
"By-and-large",
in manifold wisdom,
I think your both (Paul/Verne) right!  ::)
But more me than either of you.  ;)

PaulVerneBluejayfan

PS - I'm going to bed.  :P

Point taken, Verne... ;)

VerneFan

P.S. Are you just trying to get on my good side???  ;)  ;)