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I was at Gallant's Truck Salvage in Oceanside (CA) to get a part, and noticed a sign on the front desk that said "help wanted".  I recall that DG was an avid collector of salvaged autoparts, so there is a job available that he's qualified for if he's presently unemployed and interested in work.  Just trying to help.  

I was thinking more of that place out in the Mohave that sells hubcaps. That was DG's favorite place. But then, it is owned and operated by a woman and who would wish him on any woman.

I've struggled with this information not knowing what to do with it so here goes:

When Dave & Judy initially split up and Judy moved south, Dave called and offered to send money to help her out, also he gave her the stock portfolio. Dave has gone back to school and I've heard is working. I don't know if his mom is still supporting him.

Yes he is still guilty of the abuse. Yes he has made no effort to repent that I know of but in some ways he did try and make things right....

Heide

Heide,

You're an idiot.

Scott McCumber

how sweet. did he offer to deliver it in person, under the condition she comes alone to pick it up? i take it he was offering a small portion of the money his father had fleeced from the family cult, lovingly delivered to him by his mother.


man, i would love to order a happy meal from this guy.


what??

without ever even hinting that he did anything wrong? without ever apologizing in the slightest to those who loved him most, and whose lives he tranformed into a living hell for decades??  ???  >:(

listen, if you are talking to david, or trusting him in any way, you are making a huge mistake. this seems really out of character for you heide. you are vehemently, aggresively against the assembly yet you seem to be cutting slack for the one guy whose particular brand of hideous corruption i personally find the most chilling. david and george were deeply corrupt in different ways, but they are easily the top two most wicked men in the entire assembly system, imho. and this is who you choose to defend, out of the blue?? i am completely baffled as to what your motives are. what gives?

brian

Heide, don't take the previous comments personal. On second thought, do take them personal because they are. That seems to be the halmark of this bb. If something is said others don't like they turn it into a personal attack. Very much GGish.

In the future any information you get make sure you skew it, just to protect yourself.

BTW, I did not read you defending anyone. I read information. David is the tirant, not you.

"Rome didn't conquer the world by holding meetings. They did it by killing those who opposed them."

This why she would struggle with that info.

kindly point me towards a bb where people don't spout off personal opinions. i do think scott's idiot comment was out of line (scott, be good!  :P ), but i'm also sure heide is a strong enough person to handle it. i tend to err on the side of noninterference because i am not interested in turning into the board police, nor do i want to be a babysitter. we are mostly adults here, and shouldn't need those kinds of controls. plus add to that the fact that many of these subjects are pretty touchy to most of the people posting and i think its obvious you can expect some kneejerk reactions. how can someone argue against your personal opinion without stating or implying that you, personally, are wrong?


how original  ::)


again, point me to the last time someone reported information about the assembly without skewing it. or anything for that matter. "On second thought, do take them personal because they are. That seems to be the halmark of this bb. If something is said others don't like they turn it into a personal attack." you don't see any skewing going on here? humans don't just take in information like computers. we automatically interpret it and form conclusions with it - usually conclusions that are consistent with our personal bias (ie your bias against this board (formed perhaps because you were hurt or offended by things written here?)).


my personal attacks were towards david, not heide. he has earned them. heide reported several facts for the purpose of forming the conclusion that followed them in her post, obviously. 1 - david offered money and gave stocks to judy. 2 - she heard he is working (he may not be). 3 - she dosen't know if his mom is still supporting him (although his mom did support him for the past 30 years or so - but who knows if she still is?). thus (here comes the opinion part i disagree with) "in some ways he did try and make things right....". that would be the defending david part that got a reaction from some of us. because i would take those same facts and conclude he was trying to ensnare judy again, or trying to pay her to keep quiet, or trying to restore his public image with a pr move, or etc etc etc. i certainly would not conclude that his heart was in the right place after he committed decades of sadistic abuse. thats why i'm asking heide why she concluded that and what she is getting at. does what i wrote make more sense now? is everyone happy?


i believe the proper term is character assasination. that is exactly what david and other leaders organized against those who opposed him. it worked great until everyone found out what they were (are!) doing through the free flow of information and opinion made possible by the internet. scary, isn't it?

brian

Scott-

PLEASE do not call my friend Heide an idiot.  She's actually quite intelligent.  And, you need to apologize to her as well...

Translation: I've got some gossip and I want to tell everybody but I need to make is sound really legit and profound.


Is that right? Who told you that? David? Judy? 'to help her out,' Is that right? If he did offer, was that his motivation? Is that what he told you? Who told you that his motivation for this supposed offer was 'to help her out,'?

If he did make an offer maybe he had motives you were not privy to (I'm assuming you are not a telepath or empath or anything like that).


Really. THE stock portfolio. Which stock portfolio is that? ALL of it? Some of it? Why? To 'make things right' or to keep her quiet? Is there any chance he was fearful of a civil or criminal suit? Do you think he had something to gain by her silence? I don't know the answers but then again I'm not stating them as fact in a post.


School? Wow. He's made a career of school. Pretty heady stuff. Where did you hear he was working? It's a noble thing when a man's cult falls apart around him and he still has the gumption to go out and get a job. It must mean that he's not as horrible as we all thought. Or he's hungry.


Oh, come on! Give it up! What did your source say? We're all DYING to know. Don't worry, I'll check the bb 150 times a day waiting for your update.


Eulaha seems to think you are a reasonably intelligent person. Hmm. See above quote as counterargument.

Even if any of what you said is fact (and I highly doubt that it is) there is no such thing as to 'try and make things right' without repentance. That would only be at best assuaging a guilty conscience and at worst a pathetic bribe for silence.

Scott McCumber

I struggled with the information for three years because some of you were so eager to help Judy out when she already got financial help. I am not defending David or the Geftakys. My concern is that while some of you are so helpful to get a contribution together, would you had you known that they had already been helped out?

I may be an idiot Scott, I knew about the money that Judy rec'd and didn't say anything while they were taking donations here in SLO for her. So for that much I am guilty of fleecing the sheep. I am tired of keeping secrets for an evil family and guarding some "truth".

As for you Brian, David was willing to mail the money to Judy. You can confirm the information with some of the LB's here in SLO. David told many people that he offered to help her and he told many people about the stocks. Really, isn't most of this about money? David & Judy fleeced the flock as well and there is a responsibility there.

Calling me names doesn't change the facts. DG set out to makes "some" things right even though he did everything wrong. He still has a place to repent unless you all think he is too great a sinner. And then there is no hope for any of us!  

Heide

Dear Brian:

Differing opinion is not calling someone an idiot. Differing opinion is not attacking someones's integrity by questioning their motives.

You see Brian and Scott, the assembly, as you know, used intimidation to silence thought that differed from the conformity. You may think someone is stong enough to be called an idiot without hurt. Some believe that to be intimadation to silence.

You need to reevaluate the purpose of this board. If it is to express one's heart for the purpose of healing in the wake of all that has happened then you and others should allow that expression. Even if it differs from your heart. You can debate and disagree without character assassination, as you put it.

If the purpose of this board is for any other reason then you need to reveal your motive.

So you think that because she rec'd a one time sum of money when she left her abusive husband that she was not in need or deserving of continued support? Ridiculous. If Judy chose to she could pursue what she is legally entitled to and wipe out the Geftakys fortune. Hmm. Sounds like a good motive to try and quiet her with some stock. As if a nice little stock portfolio was all she was entitled to!

Lord, I hope so! How many people were complicit in this crime? Judy, like many others (especially women), put aside any chance for a career, etc. for the cult. In reality she is entitled to lifetime support from her abusive husband who controlled the family income.


You think that there was fleecing of the sheep because she rec'd some money when she left? It was my understanding that the SLO assembly freely offered this money as part of their repentance. I guess that makes it a fleecing, huh?


Yeah, great track record for David's cronies. I would trust them implicitly. As if it mattered. Why do you think it mattered that David was willing to mail the money? Do you sincerely believe it was because he was trying to make amends?


OK. And? Of course he did! That was whole point. What did you think he would say? Do you think he wanted it a secret? He wanted EVERYONE to know.


I almost thought about rescinding my opinion of you until that little gem. It seems most of this is about the money - for Heide. If that's what you really think this is all about then you are in worse shape coming out of there than you thought you were.


David did not set out to make things right. He set out to cover his ass :o ets! There is hope for anyone except the people who try to compromise with and make excuses for evil.

Scott McCumber

PS - James: Man up and sign your name and maybe someone will take you seriously.

David's not such a bad guy.

Sure, he beat his wife, and other stuff.  But when her brother, the attorney came to pick Judy up, David thought about it and offered her some stocks.  He made it right....right?

I know where the stocks came from.  I also know that David routinely hid money from Judy...for years.  Judy never saw a dime from the sale of their house.  She never saw a dime of Alimony, but she did see the stocks, because they are the only asset that can be tracked.

I know where the stocks came from, who gave them to David, the name of the money manager from Prudential in New York  (John _____) and I know which stocks he owned.

David is a great guy.  I don't know why everyone is so down on him.  He made it right. :-X :-X

This is madness.  

Brent

I have no idea why Judy didn't go for the jugular in all of this, but I can tell you that she is a broken person.  The Geftakys family is a total mess.  Plenty of Christians have been persecuted in the past 2000 years, and the real ones don't fall apart like the G's.  Of course, they aren't being persecuted, but are reaping what they have sown.  

Again, David is going to school, what a great guy.  I bet none of you ever went to school.

We were taught by them....think about it.

I was not defending David, if we can be clear on that for starters. In comparison, at least David got a job while Tim does not. There is no degree of evil. It doesn't make David less evil from what he has done.

Scott, what money do I get out of this?

Judy should be entitled to alimony. It should come directly from David not from the sheep. Unfortunately if it comes from David or GG or BG then one way or another it did come from the sheep. David should take responsibility for his actions and his family.

I just think or thought that at the time when SLO was being asked to donate they should have had all the facts. Judy walked away with a huge chunk of change. Some of those people that gave couldn't afford to. Some of the people who have been giving for years haven't been able to afford to. Whether it was shut up money or whatever, the sheep should have had all the facts. Is that repentance? Giving money....

I don't know what David's motivation were. Some of you seem to be much wiser than me and can tell.

Heide

Here are some questions for Scott & Brent:

1) Why is it that when Judy tells Brent something it is 100% true but the information they she personally gave me is false?

2) Why is it that when I saw Judy's stock statement, which she showed me was worth 172 thousand dollars and Brent was only told it was worth 62 thousand dollars that I am wrong and he is right?

3) Why is it that when I stuck my neck out on information that Judy gave to me I had to in turn apologize because the information turned out to be false?

If you can answer these questions to my satisfaction than I can put this whole thing to bed.  I would sincerely appreciate it.

Heide

P.S. Brian Tucker, since I don't know what David's motivation was I guess I do owe you an apology. Even though I had witnesses, it doesn't seem to matter much here.

Heide, you might have been better off saying FYI instead of "I've struggled with this info...".  When I first read you post I thought that if DG is taking any measures to get things right now, how much better it would have been for him and his family if only someone had made a strong stand against him a long time ago.  But GG & BG were willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of their own selfish ambitions - demonic isn't it. SAD SAD SAD!

Lord bless,
Marcia

Verne

so what bothered you is that people were eager to help judy, despite the fact that judy was not eager to be helped. you were so bothered by their desire to help the woman who suffered for years under their very noses that you felt compelled to betray judy's confidence in you and share personal information you saw on her bank statement. and you decided to do this months after anyone has even mentioned helping judy out financially. i mean, it was a completely dead issue. so why now? there must be something that triggered this for you.


maybe, but in this case judy isn't. taking a collection was not her idea, it was a spontaneous response on the part of the slo assembly when they finally realized the full truth that had been partially hidden from them, and they felt pretty guilty about it, as far as i can tell. also the leadership had to do something, since many of them had known far more for much longer than the average assemblyite. yet their sorrow and expression of regret and support of judy as seen in giving financial donations really bothered you. why?


by "truth" you mean the contents of judy's personal accounts?


like i said, he would likely want everyone to know because it was a pr move. and if he told everyone, then how could it be such a big secret that you were struggling with for so long? did he tell them this after the collection or before? if he sent the stocks three years ago, and the collection for judy was taken this year, then people gave donations knowing she already got the stocks - yet their desire to help judy still bothers you. why?

you are letting your anger confuse your ability to understand what i'm writing. i never said you were a liar, nor did i question the fact that david sent her stocks or offered her money. but i find your antagonism towards judy and your willingness to assign pure motives to david both disturbing and suspect.


not at all. for me it is mostly about betrayal.


no it dosen't, but getting called names dosen't mean your conclusions are correct either, or that scott's are incorrect. personally i would love to see scott apologize for the namecalling and delete his post, because i find it pointlessly hurtful and distracting from the real issues.


well, ok, maybe you were not intentionally defending david? maybe that just came out in what you were saying as a side effect, while your main point had something to do with irritation on your part that judy got money?


see, this sounds defensive. before you said you heard david got a job. are you quite sure he did? i know i for one am very curious as to what kind of a job he would take.


i disagree. i would call evil the range from dark grey to black. and i do think david is on the black end.


maybe this is why she hasen't gone after the geftakys family fortune? i think far more than money judy just wants to be left alone. thats why i wasn't even going to respond to this when you first posted it, even though it really bothered me. i was hoping the topic would just fade away quietly.


its not a question of who is wiser than who. i just think it is really naive to ascribe pure motives to a man we now know has had devious motives for most of his life.


what information is this? the value of the stock? i really don't think that is the central issue in what any of us have been saying. at least it isn't with me.


i don't feel you owe me an apology for anything, but whatever it might be i forgive you. are you talking about witnesses to david's motives, or the stock thing?  ???  i hope you won't hold a grudge against me for disgreeing with you so vehemently on this issue.

heide, you must have realized that coming on here and making these kinds of statements you were going to step on a lot of raw nerves - as it turned out, mine included. i am not disputing the facts, i am disputing the rumors and motives being tossed around - including why you would want to start tossing them around.

brian

I don't know. Maybe she didn't trust you? Maybe she thought you would post her personal information all over the bulletin board? Maybe you are right and Brent is wrong but I don't recall anything in this thread like that.



Are you on the same thread as everyone else? Who said in this thread that Brent claimed 62K and you claimed 172K? What are you talking about? I didn't know the amounts. I didn't care about the amounts. The amounts are irrelevant (at least to anyone who understands the issue).


I don't know. Why? Maybe it was given in confidence and you betrayed that confidence. Maybe you were lied to. Maybe you shouldn't repeat things like that on a bulletin board.


No matter what I answer you will not be satisfied because we are not talking about the same things. You are wrapped up in the dollars. I contend the issues behind the money are more important. I contend that it is not only naive to attribute pure motives to DG but foolish and dangerous. If you don't know why, I'm sorry. You haven't learned enough about the Geftakys cult yet.

Personally, I've put this issue to bed. Feel free to stay up and nurse it through the night.

Scott McCumber

You know Scott, it's really funny how you intend to "put this issue to rest", when you are the no. 1 instigator.  All Heide did was disclose some information.  She didn't put any "repentace value" in it at all.  Her point was, from what I can see, was to inform you all that Judy wasn't exactly left penniless, and that David did offer her some stocks worth x-amount of money.  Plain and simple.  Calling her an idiot shows how immature you must be.  Only kids go around calling others names!  You don't even KNOW Heide, so how can you put such a label on her? If you remember from her account on the Rick Ross website, it was HEIDE who encouraged Judy to get help when David's rages were at their worst.  It was HEIDE who informed the little flock about their "leader" and "worker" beating his wife!  You seem to forget all of that, don't you?  So, the next time you decide to call someone an idiot, do your homework first.

And Brian, I feel you need to really do something with this BB.  It is full of bickering and accusing and offending.  I guess there WAS a reason why I started contributing to the other BB, where the moderator actual moderates.  Rest assured, I will NEVER be contributing on this one again! >:(

Actually Eulaha, she said that the saints in SLO were "fleeced".

She said that Judy was complicit with David in "fleecing" the flock. These are quotes, my dear, check the thread.

She also stated that David's motives for handing over the stock to Judy was to "make things right." Another direct quote.

In this she becomes an apologist and makes a concession to his evil. It is a dangerous thing and lends credence and strength to those who still argue that there was and is good in the Assembly and worse it harms and weakens those still struggling to cut their Assembly ties.

In defending her actions, she revealed on a public bulletin board the very details of Judy's stock statement, shown to her as a friend. And then accuses of her "friend" of lying to Brent.

Additionally, she stated that the SLO situation with David and Judy's abusive relationship was mostly "about the money." Another quote. A jaw-droppingly asinine quote.

You jump to your friend's defense, Eulaha which is fine, but you totally ignored the facts.


Did you just call me an immature kid? Am not!

I don't have time for this. Sponge Bob starts in 10 minutes!

Scott McCumber

Hey Enchi,

This isn't a good idea to me!
"Here's another job opening for David:  Jiffy Lube.  They're always hiring.  He can work in the pit changing oil filters."

 This would put David in close contact with easily influenced young men.   They may look up to this older man for wisdom!   (But then again, they may beat him up and take his cigarettes)

adios

There are a couple of possible explanations for the discrepancy in the value of the stocks.

One is that Heide has been trying to account for where assembly money went, so that means that the value that Heide would hear about is the purchase price rather than the present value.

Another possibility is that some misinformation from DG has created some confusion.

Speculation about DG's motives seems silly since most people can't imagine what would motivate a man to beat his wife.

Maybe DG should find a job crab fishing in the Bering sea.

Hi James,
I for one couldn't agree with you more. Don't let these men (Brian and Scott) discourage you. There are many people out there that support your point of view and applaud you for your courage in standing up to these purveyors of bitterness and wrath and mocking. You are right to question Brian's motive. He isn't even a believer! Therefore, he has no intention of making sure that this bb is Christ-honoring. Just some thoughts...keep up the good work James!