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I learned today that George and Betty have relocated to Redding, CA and George is having a Wednesday night BS in conjuction with Mike Almanzor in Riverside..  To date they are having about 12 people attending.  Is there anyone out there willing to warn people in that area?  Especially women?  Especially Janine Almanzor!  I find this very frightening.

Riverside and Redding are on opposite ends of the state.  I'm not sure how George and Mike could do a weekly Bible Study together.  They must do a lot of driving.  Where did you get this information?

Jack

Frightening is right! Couldn't we run a full page ad in the local newspaper.  :-\ The thought of anyone going to that bible study is terrible.

Are you thinking Redlands? It is closer to Riverside...

Heide

sorry. redlands it is

Good!  Redding is a nice small town, hate to see it san luis obispoized.

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;  
2 Cor. 10:4

There are very few instances in which I would recommend that God's people invoke the Scriptural sanction of imprecatory prayer. These developments are an affront to Almighty God and call into question the resolve of the Chruch of Jesus Christ to fulfill its mandate - the proclamation and exaltation of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, it is time for anyone who can to physically appear at the scene of this gathering and publicly and loudly warn attendees and entreat God's intervention.
More importantly, I call on everyone touched by and delivered from the demonic influences of George Geftakys to act with the authority and responsibility vested with every true child of God.

PRAY FOR EXECUTION OF GOD'S JUDGMENT ON GEORGE GEFTAKYS!

...surely his iniquity is now full...
Verne

Verne:

That would be REDLANDS, CA, which is a half-hour drive from Riverside.  REDDING is a nine or ten hour drive, toward the top of the state, north of Sacramento.

Just helping to keep things clear and factual.

Matt Sciaini

In the year of our lord thirteen fourteen, patriots of Scotland, starving and outnumbered, charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets. They fought like Scotsmen. And won their freedom.

And I see, a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?

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Many now taste freedom in Christ, and God has made us free to be warrior poets. What will you do with that freedom? George is doing his thing again. Will you not only pray, but call OR write and do something that the wee sheep might be protected?



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CALVARY CHAPEL REDLANDS PHONE:
For more Information Call (909) 793-8744

CALVARY CHAPEL RIVERSIDE
Calvary Chapel Of Riverside, (909) 687-6902,
6115 Arlington Ave, Riverside, CA 92504


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LOCAL REDLAND CHURCHES

First Presbyterian Church
100 Cajon St
Redlands, CA

Highest Praise Apostolic Church
721 Nevada St Ste 408
Redlands, CA

Inland Olive Presbyterian
2 W Olive Ave
Redlands, CA

Loma Linda Indonesian Seventh Day Adventist
10827 California St
Redlands, CA

Loma Linda Japanese Co Seventh Day Adventist
721 Nevada St
Redlands, CA

Redlands Alliance Church
301 Cajon St
Redlands, CA

Redlands Apostolic Church
1205 Texas St
Redlands, CA

Redlands Christian Center
804 Church St
Redlands, CA

Redlands Church Rist
1000 Roosevelt Rd
Redlands, CA

Redlands United Church Rist
168 Bellevue Ave
Redlands, CA                                                                                

Warrior poets / maidens:

I will match you blade for blade:

You write one letter, I will match you a letter.
You make one phone call, I will match you one phone call.

Too long we feared and just protected our homes and we're content with mere existence of having a good reputation.

We did live to see another day, but did we truly live?

There's something zealous, passionate and burning in each one of us to stand for righteousness in God's grace. Do not merely allow words to be the course of your life - the blade of action is sharp, raw and real with effect. Mr. Geftakys is out there roaming like Longshanks and will our hearts be permissible to the fact that he should go to a village and ravage the souls of men and women who might one day become the next Billy Graham or Mother Teresa? Pray and grab a blade!

Now you're talkin!

I'm writing a letter that I will mail to churches and also to use when I call churches.

Does anyone know what Mike Almanzor's address is?  I'd love to take a trip to Riverside.  I can't go alone, though.  My family has told me that they don't want me to go to anymore meetings, no matter the reason.  If I go with an army of warrior poets that would be different, I think.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Painting blue stripes on my face,
Jack

PS  I'm glad I won't be martyred for this.  Was that a gross scene or what?

Jack,

Just let me know when you write, my blade will be next to yours.

(Just to be honest, I sure don't know about the blue paint idea,  :P
their such a pain to get out and really do a number on your skin.)

Hey, if you know of any southern warrior-poets tell them saddle up and not let their castles be ravaged.

You southern warrior poets: nice to be poets, but write, call! Who knows.. you might catch the eye of a warrior maiden for having a heart of a warrior poet. : )



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Princess Isabelle: The king desires peace.

William Wallace: Longshanks desires peace?

Princess Isabelle: He declares it to me, I swear it. He proposes that you withdraw your attack. In return he grants you title, estates, and this chest of gold which I am to pay to you personally.
                       
William Wallace: A lordship and titles. Gold. That I should become Judas?
 
Princess Isabelle: Peace is made in such ways.

William Wallace: Slaves are made in such ways. The last time Longshanks spoke of peace I was a boy. And many Scottish nobles, who would not be slaves, were lured by him under a flag of truce to a barn, where he had them hanged. I was very young, but I remember Longshank's notion of peace. :P :P

ENLIST A WARRIOR POET

I challenge everyone who posts - let your words have physical manifestation in some form. The Lord Jesus was the Word made flesh. Righteousness, Grace, Truth, Passion, Power, Mercy ALL came down in flesh and we were able to partake of it. We tasted it, we saw it, we touched it. It was REAL.

Find a fellow warrior poet, encourage them that their posting is nice, but tell them to write, and call to let their hearts be known in a form that is translated into knowledge, and emotional manifestation.

In the past, we were warrior-poets in the shadows. Do not merely hide behind the safety of this bullentin board: MAKE A DIFFERENCE. There are two types of people: a dreamer and a spinner.

One with the vision, but none of the execution. What do you call that person?
A DREAMER.

One with execution, but on vision? What do you call that person?
A SPINNER. Just wasting time, resources and money.

William---

According to your post there are only two types of
people, dreamers and spinners.  Which one do you consider yourself?  Just curious.


--Joe

I just got off the phone with the pastor of Redlands Alliance Church.  He was very open and asked me to send a letter.  I'm almost finished with the letter, and will mail it out today.

Jack

Good question Joe...

I think it varies from circumstance to circumstance.

Sometimes I'm a dreamer and am learning to execute.
Other times, I'm just blazing down the hill making myself look like a fool.

I know this: I have a mission statement in my life.

Thanks William. Most of the time I'm a dreamer--and when I'm not dreaming I'm spinning. That's why I asked.

take care,  Joe

You too laddy. : )

I'll write to High Praise Apostolic Church...unless someone has already written to them...

Love the Bannockburn, warrior/poets illustration, but just so history doesn't get lost in it (and no disrespect to William Wallace the poster), Robert the Bruce was the hero of Bannockburn. William Wallace had already been dead for nine years by that battle, but the point is the fight for freedom against staggering odds. Let Scotland and freedom live!

None taken -- GREAT to see we're resourceful, but the point is TRUE: FREEDOM!

Back to the original topic of this thread. From two different sources it has come to light in the last several days that George and Betty Geftakys' reported relocation to Whittier was in error. Their correct current address is now thought to be:

        242 Carver Cir
        Redlands, CA 92373-8503

I live less than 2 miles from that address.  It's part of a Christian retirement complex called Plymouth Villiage.  A lot of missionaries retire there.  My father-in-law spent the last two months of his life there, so I am familiar with the place.  I am very busy at work but I can check it out this weekend.

http://www.plymouthvillage.org/

One can only wonder if George suckered the "saints" into paying for housing for Betty and himself.  I wouldn't be surprised... ??? ??? ??? ???

Unless he has a source of income that dates back to before the mid-1970's or some investments we don't know about, all of his provision and housing has been provided by Saints.

What is sad to me is that George was a man who at one time had great potential as a gifted Bible teacher.  Yet, due to selfishness he destroyed everything and lives in a retirement community knowing (denial aside) that the most significant thing he gave his life to was turned to wood, hay, and stubble.

I am getting to the life-phase where George was when he began the Assemblies.  I hope by God's grace that when I am George's current age (or with the Lord) that this last portion of my life will count for something that God is able and willing to use.

-Dave

George had his house on Calle Serena in Sunny Hills, purchased in the 1960's, which was partly paid for by Betty teaching school. When they sold it, it was worth somewhere in the nieghborhood of $650,000+. That may have provided a substantial part of their entrance into the retirement complex.

What concerns me is that GG is most likely positioning himself in that community as a great missionary, church planter and Bible teacher. No doubt there are very elderly folks there who might be taken in by his posturing and puffing. I just hope he isn't able to cook up some scheme to get them to contribute money, even their properties--maybe through a "Bible study" he would conduct there. He will almost certainly be trying to find women to give him hand and foot rubs, and generally be grooming them to become his narcissistic supply. I can't imagine Betty alone can satisfy his ego any more now than in the past, and even the remaining saints probably can't be there all the time.

I can picture George being very much like the Robert Duvall character in "The Apostle." Not giving a thought to failures in the past--it was spiritual warfare--just pushing forward toward more conquests, loudly singing the praises of Jesus all the way.

What I've said here doesn't really echo Dave's tone of sadness over a wasted life, although I agree entirely. It just seems to me that the man himself is most likely not languishing in despondency but is still dangerous, not only to the remaining loyal saints, who have for the most part chosen their own destiny at this point, but to the unsuspecting sincere believers in Plymouth Village.

Actually, I agree with Margaret and appreciate her clarification.  I was reflecting my sadness and horror at his wasted life.  I don't think for a moment that George is wallowing in it.  I suspect he has stories to tell of his spiritual exploits in the senior center and he is bound to find some who are excited to have a godly giant in their midst.  Probably the one thing that is keeping him from being a large threat is the fact that he and Betty are simply too old to do something on the scale on the Assembly again.

P.S.:  That "spiritual justification" really stood out to me as well when I watched The Apostle.  His baptising himself an Apostle was striking as well.

Hi Everyone!

  I went to the website link given re. this place where GG is residing and was surprised to notice that it was run by The American Baptists.  This sect tends to be liberal at it's organizational top.

  I know this because I attended an American Baptist church here in Fallbrook for a bit and was shocked to discover that their denominational leadership have a very tolerant view of abortion.  The local pastor and members were quite conservative, but the official positions of the denomination leaned to the left.

  I don't think these kind of "tolerant" believers, that might make up this retirement community, will readily accept GG's claim to a special Apostle like relationship with God.

  I must confess that I enjoyed the atmosphere within this local American Baptist church and only left because I could not be a part of a church that was neutral on the issue of abortion.  I guess that I could best describe the "atmosphere" in the church as being unpretentious.  The pastor was a former Marine officer and clearly a born again Christian.

  Also, the church (and it's members) allowed others to direct their own lives with God (tolerant?).  This kind of approach does have it's dangers in that the group can be so wishy-washy that they stand for nothing (like in the abortion neutral policy). 

  The reason I say this is that these kind of people have their own opinions and are not likely to appreciate GG assertions that he knows better what God wants for them.

   I think Joe S. could work up a pretty good mental picture for us that might describe how GG and Betty might try to press their claims and win over these seasoned citizens.   Some thoughts come to mind, but I know Joe has the real talent  to paint that picture for us! ;D

                                                      God Bless,  Mark C.

     
 

 

   

I was thinking more of the very elderly who no longer have the reasoning powers to figure that out. I know one such elderly retired missionary couple, who could be easily duped in their advanced age as they would not have been when younger.

  Hi Margaret!

     I wasn't disagreeing with your warning or the potential dangers that you mentioned re. GG's abilities to deceive those at Plymouth Village.  All I was trying to do was to inform readers of who the American Baptists are and what difficulties GG might have with his agenda in a group like this.

  This topic made me think about some articles/books I've read in the past re. which kind of religious philosophy is most susceptible to a Bible based "Apostle" type like GG.

  The book "Unholy Devotion", (the author's name has slipped my mind, but he was an inspiration to the work of Dr. Enroth) talks about his dealings with different groups of Christians and how they faced the issue of misplaced devotion to a religious man/woman and the surrounding social dynamics of these distinct cultures.

  Part of his job at one point in his denomination was to help churches recover from church splits and other difficulties.  Sometimes he was called upon to help churches that had been Modernistic but whom were now wanting to become more Biblically based (Evangelical).

  His biggest problems were with the more conservative churches and on the other side he found the former liberal believers much easier to help. 

   I say none of this to promote Modernist/liberal theology (nor did he btw) but only to present what seems to me an interesting conundrum:

  Why are seeminly more fully engaged and devoted Evangelical believers more likely to follow a false apostle like GG, vs. those not as sure and devoted in their faith?

     I no longer have the book referenced above, but maybe there are those who might be interested in trying to answer this question or disagree with it's premise altogether.

          (P.S.--- I still think Joe could come up with a good bit of lesson via sarcasm on life with GG at Plymouth Village---- ;))

                                                            God Bless,  Mark C. 

   

 

On the other hand, most missionaries have had some sort of Bible School and/or seminary training, and have seen and experienced many different Christians and organizations.

Although it was new to us when we were recruited, Bretherenism is very well known and understood among pastors.   I recall a Baptist pastor in the valley that translated the "Golden Ladder" or something like that as a favor to Al Hartman.  His comment was "This is ridiculous."

Thomas Maddux

True.  Of course, this is all speculation, but I don't envision George dumping the Heavenly Ladder on folks in the rec center at the senior home.  I see him dropping statements such as "when I preached that conference in Kenya . . . " or "when I held a series of lectures at the University" or "when my ministry turned scores of hippies around to serve Christ" and then he would see whose eyes light up and want to know more.  These are the folks he'll be chummy with.

He may be deluded, but he is no dummy.

i agree - george is very likely to swagger around boasting about his past "accomplishments", with all the usual embellishments. he certainly knows enough not to hit people with wacky cultish rhetoric until they are properly primed. and if they are duly impressed by his tall tales, he will at some point start trying to use his fabricated prestige to gain influence and control over the people around him. after that, he will certainly have no qualms about exploiting them as much as possible. this is what a narcissistic personality does. he will always believe, with total confidence, that he is fully entitled to whatever he can extract from those around him. and confidence can be very convincing.

i am planning to write a letter to the management of that retirement community. i would imagine they would be at least somewhat concerned about the effect someone like george could have on the stability and reputation of their community. at least concerned enough to keep an eye out. i would encourage others to do the same. the more letters they get, the more seriously they will take them.

here is their contact info:

Plymouth Village
900 Salem Drive
Redlands, CA 92373-6189
909-793-9195
email: info@plymouthvillage.org

Rumor has it that George has left Mike Almanzor's group. Apparently he has not been allowed to give stated ministry on Sunday afternoons at the Riverside group, so he has left, taking some people with him to start something separate. This is third-hand information from someone in contact with "brethren who would know." So far, we have been unable to confirm it. Anyone wanna' bet the new group meets in the rec room at Plymouth Village in Redlands?

George:  Come on Saints.  There is no excuse to be late to pre-prayer.  If you can be ten minutes late, you can be fifteen minutes early.

Doris:  But, I was on the dialysis machine.

George:  You need to reckon your self-justifications dead.

Betty:  Where is my juice you were going to make for a consequence? 

Doris:  But, I'm in a wheel chair.  I can't reach the counter!

Betty:  God exaults the humble.  Your problem is that you love yourself.

Meanwhile . . .

(Scrape ... thump  ... scrape ... thump ... scrap  ... thump)

Herman (leaning against his walker):  OK, doorkeepers (pant pant), we need (pant pant) to man the doors (pant pant) so the enemy (pant pant) doesn't come in (pant pant) and disrupt the meeting.

As much as I personally agree that George and Betty deserve judgment, I prefer to leave that judgment up to God.  I have been sometimes instructed to pray for mercy; sometimes to stand aside and let God do His thing.  I asked God how He wanted me to pray for George and Betty, and I didn't feel He was asking me to pray for mercy; rather that His Will would be done.  This is how I pray for such people, and there are a number of them in my life -- that God's Will would be done.  Remember, God brought down the assemblies -- but in HIS timing.  God knows what He wants to do with George and Betty.  I find it safest to ask that God's Will be done in ALL my prayers no matter what else I may ask for -- that way, the best will be done even if what *I* am asking for is inadequate or even a mistake, because I don't have God's perfect knowledge!  I DO pray for God's justice to catch up to people in some cases, but always with the caveat that His Will be done.

Thanks for the rallying call and the information.  I spoke to a pastor at Calvary Chapel Redlands and gave him the link to Assembly Reflections.

Thanks for the info.  I sent an e-mail.

There is of course wisdom in what you say.
I would like to point out a few things I think are relevant to the request I made concerning praying for judgment on Geftakys.
Apostasy is different from civil transgression.
There is no place in Scripture that provides for civil remedy for apostasy.
George is unquestionably an apostate.
Apostasy uniquely takes place in the context of the fellowship of the Church of Jesus Christ.
It is my personal theory that the rise of a man like George Geftakys in any gathering of God's people is stark testimony to the weakness and lack of spiritual maturity of that  gathering.
Paul understood this danger and therefore issues one of the strongest warnings in all of Scripture to the Ephesian elders at Miletus.
In matters of apostasy, judgment necessarily begins at the house of God. Clearly this is what the Bible teaches.
Put another way, I can state with absolute certitude that it is indeed God's will that every false teacher, who is an apostate, shall be judged.
Any question of God's will then applies only to the matter of timing,
as you point out, and not of judgment.
That post of mine you quoted from four years ago was prompted by my conviction of the applicaton of Peter's words to George Geftakys.

  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Oops...I didn't catch you had posted that FOUR YEARS AGO.  My bad!

I couldn't agree with you more that George deserves judgment, and, furthermore, will receive it.  I just like to leave up to God HOW and WHEN He will judge George and Betty, and therefore pray for His Will instead of judgment, assuming in this case that it is, in fact, His will to judge them.  I pray this same way for my brother and sister-in-law, who God has assured me He intends to judge, and I can see for myself by what is going on in their lives that the clouds are gathering and the ax is poised to strike.  God told me to pray for them ONLY that His Will would be done.  I rest assured in His promise that His judgment, when it falls, will be "spectacular".  But He has also told me to be patient and wait for Him.

George and Betty's time WILL come.