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I am sad to report that Jeff Lehmkuhl has recently "sat under the ministry," again, by attending an Assembly seminar in San Francisco.  

Since then, he claims that "The Lord Spoke to me," and he has "repented of the reconcilliation meeting that took place in January of 2003, in San Luis Obispo.

Jeff says that he never should have read the articles on the Internet, and that they were gossip, and that he never should have let me, and his brother-in-law, Chuck Vanasse have access to the "sheep" and ravage the flock.

Jeff also says that "God didn't bring down the gathering in SLO, men did."  He expresses regret that he did not stand and that he signed his name to the reconcilliation letter.

Jeff is going to start up the SLO assembly again.

I will have more to say about this in the future, but for right now, I want to point out a few things.

Jeff is typical of many of the ex-leaders.  He is an addict, and he has been thoroughly corrupted.  He needs to have someone to worship, and he needs a position and a membership in an unwholesome group in order to satisfy a huge defect in his character.  He can't let go of George's influence, and he has too much pride to repent and admit the truth.

Jeff worshipped David Geftakys, until it became difficult, so he moved on to worship Danny Edwards.  When Danny moved to reconcile, Jeff reluctantly followed him,  but upon learning that he was going to lose his position and idol, he was adrift.

His house was clean and swept, and now the demon has returned with 7 of his friends.  Jeff is now worshipping Scott Testa, and apparently Scott has talked him into recanting everything.

I'm not surprised by this.  The vague nature of Jeff's silence over the last year betrays his true belief.  Jeff has never stopped being a follower of George Geftakys, and he ever will be for the rest of his life.

However, I know something else about Jeff.  He doesn't have the backbone to act alone.  He doesn't have the courage to make this move on his own, there must be someone standing with him here in SLO?  Who is it?

It won't be one of the "sheep,"  Jeff doesn't worship them.  It must be someone else, perhaps one of the former leaders?  I don't know yet, but I have an idea.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum.  Don't you find it interesting that so many things happen all at once, on seemingly different fronts?

Here is the lesson.  Jeff is a typical Geftakysservant.  He never came clean, never made a clear statement about how what he was involved in was wrong, and would never admit to the horrible things he did.  He went along with the crowd, because he didn't possess the strength to stand for his own convictions, and his source of strength at the time went in a direction Jeff didn't agree with.

Now, Jeff has found a new leader, and he will follow this man, and do his bidding like a dog.

The vague, elusive nature of the leaders in the remaining groups is very similiar.  They can't let go, so it is only a matter of time before they go back into the darkness.  They are already facing that way, it is only a matter of time before they move.

I think we will be able to put a stop to it in SLO.   In fact,  I am poised to fight ten times harder than before.

However, who will stand up when the other groups welcome George back?  "Outrageous!"  some might say,  "We will never welcome George back!"  I beg to differ.  The body is lifeless without the spirit, and the spirit that energized George was asked to leave a year ago.  

Now, the house is clean and swept, and ready for 7 more.

Jeff,  I mourn for your family, and the destruction you are bringing on them.  

People, if you remain silent, the whole thing is going to come back.  Light makes the darkness flee, and we are told to expose the darkness.  If we neglect our responsibility, the darkness grows.

Jeff is disqualified to lead any group, Christian or otherwise, as are the other people in the various assemblies.

I think it is time we heard a clear statement from Fullerton about where they stand in all of this.  Jeff is back in the fold,  why not Tim, Mark and the others?

I am sorry to say, it isn't over.  Not by a longshot.

More later,

brent

Hi Brent, I was just thinking the other day, "I wonder what happened to Jeff L and his fam."  Sad news, but not unexpected.  
So being a shop-teacher isn't is all that fulfilling.
I couldn't see him moving on to anything else, could you?  He just seemed too far gone to me.  What more does life have for someone like him?  He's invested his entire adult life into this group wholeheartedly and at the expense of his dignity, integrity and just about everything else that a man holds dear as what it means to be a man.  It's either back to the only thing he's known or suicide I guess.  
But to recant all his recanting and to set the candles back up and hang a picture on the wall of Scott Testa of all people!   Yuck!

And what about his family?  I hate to think of how growing up there could mess up his kids or of what difficulties they'll have in the future as adults.  
You know that Jeff swallowed David's teaching that men should lead to the extreme that little brother's should have authority over their sisters.  That's bound to cause some psycho problems all around the house.

You wrote that there may be someone else.  There's one other person that I can think of in SLO that seems like a prime candidate to fall back into it.  Is it him?  

Huh, just when I thought this was all over and done with.  Well, what can they do anyways?  Is Jeff going to comb Cal Poly looking for recruits to his new, better than disco Bible Study?

Good point that Jeff ain't the only one.  With "Former leading brother in an aberrant, totalitarian church group for 20 years" on your resume, there aren't too many opportunities out there and oh how easy to slip back into the warm, fuzzy feeling of good ol' fashion assembly life.  However, I don't know anyone quite so door-mattish and willing-to-lick-the-stuff-that-even-dogs-won't-lickish as Jeff was, not even among the other leaders. So maybe there's hope...Oh who am I kidding.  I'm getting my reserved seats now to the upcoming show of The Assembly Strikes Back.

Another couple of questions.  How did you find out about this?
Also, what does Nancy say about Jeff's decision?  It seemed to me from the last times I was with them that Nancy knew there was something wrong about the whole situation but was doing her best to make the best of it.  If she holds to the conviction that she shouldn't leave her husband, what course of action can she take?

This is a letter sent to several “saints,” in San Luis Obispo, by Jeff Lehmkuhl.  I have a signed copy of it in my possession.  I reproduce it, typos and all below.   Brent Tr0ckman

“…but this one thing I do, forgetting the those things that are behind, and reaching forth unto those things that are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.  Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal this unto you.”  (Phil. 3:13-15)

February 25, 2004

Dear ______

I am sure that you are probably wondering what this is all about. Well, here it is a year later.  And truthfully, the timing of this letter is more a coincidence than you might suppose.  It is rather the product of an early morning prompting by the Lord this morning at the conclusion of months and months of wrestling in my thoughts, in the Word, and in prayer.  I am sure that as I explain myself, and it will take a bit of doing, that some of you will disagree with me or see things differently.  I am not worried about that.  That is up to you.  If you read to the end of the letter, it is my hope that you will see that I am only believeing God for His best for each of you by this and nothing else.

It has taken me this year to come to the place I found myself at this morning; spontaneously repenting before the Lord for my failure in my service to you as a leader.  But perhaps not in the way some of you will think.  I failed to stand firm for God’s interests in the gathering here in SLO that He had raised up and which He certainly had no intention of destroying.  He did not destroy this gathering.  Men did and I realize now, that as a leader, I did not do all that I could do to stop this from happening.  Our God is a God of restoration and gathering; a God of healing and binding up; a God of Resurrection and new life.  If He, and He knows the truth of all of our errors and sins, would not extinguish a dimly burning wick, should I have?  I allowed things to happen that caused the gathering to become disheartened with no alternative apparently available to it but to disband.  Any and all of these things were sinful and wrong.  This was done in a variety of ways some of which included: stepping out of leadership, allowing the Tr0ckmans and my brother-in-law access into and influence in the gathering that they never should have had.  This led some of you to believe that it was okay to listen to what they had to say and to put confidence in them when they ultimately demonstrated that they were only committed to destroying, dividing and abolishing the gathering.  Allowing Heidi Johnson to come and disrupt the worship of our Lord, a meeting that was just a horror to most of us, my family included.  This never should have happened.  I read the articles on the web and let them affect me when the Lord’s word tell me that I have no business listening to gossip.  I should never have looked at any or it.  I believe that these things and more are totally contrary to scripture.  They should never have been allowed.  For this I ask your forgiveness.

Further, I ask your forgiveness for even bringing up these details just mentioned.  I am sure that most, if not all of you, do not want to be reminded of such events.  For me it is necessary because I don’t want to miss the lessons that the Lord has for me.  It has taken me this long to see how hard it is for me to go against the grain and stand by my convictions especially when it is costly and very unpopular.  This, I am learning to do.  This letter is some evidence of this.  I conferred with no one and sought no one’s approval on this letter except my Lord though I knew that many if not most would not agree with me.  That can no longer determine me.  His Word and His Spirit must.  This is not to suggest that I don’t believe in the scriptural thought of “in the multitude of counselors, there is wisdom”. I still believe in seeking Godly counsel.  In fact, many years of studying, praying, and counseling have brought me to the biblical convictions that I have that dictate the thoughts of such a letter as this.  So, in order for me to “forget the things that are behind and reach forth to what’s before” this letter to you was necessary.

Most every day I am reminded of John 8:31: “If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed…” And, “he who loves his life will lose it.”  (John 12:25)  I am so compelled to, by love, continue in His Word; not by guilt but by love because it is His character and His way of doing things.  To continue in His Word means just simply that; to continue in those things that He has shown me and those things that He is showing me.  To be a worshipper in Spirit and in truth; to follow Him; to be a witness; to be a disciple and a discipler; to answer His great commission; to live in simple obedience to His word by faith, seeking to apply it in every practical way; to serve Him; to continue in prayer; the word, worship and fellowship; to gather to Him, the living head, in New Testament simplicity; to go the way of the cross; all of these things and more once again come fresh into mind and heart and I joyfully want to respond.  This I intend, by the abundant, sufficient grace of God to do.  “And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.”  (II Cor. 9:8).

Although I truly do not know what the future hold, I know that ultimately it is bright and that it is my determination to direct my steps into His will.  And in the meantime, as I mentioned above, I plan to “continue in His Word.”  Pray for me that I would and that I would be willing to be led by His Spirit that the Father may be glorified through the Son.  One practical implementation I will mention to you is that each Sunday my family and I are worshipping the Lord together at our home.  This is a simple but joyful time for us.  If you so desire to come sometime, you are certainly welcome.  I do want you to know that I remain your brother and friend.  Always know that you can come and talk or pray or fellowship with us.  We have time and an open door for you.  May the Lord bless each one of you in whatever endeavors/fellowships you are involved in for His glory.  May you love His cross and cling to Him as enough for your every need.

Finally, I do not mean to stir up any trouble for you.  That is the last thing I want to do.  Nor do I want to put any guilty upon you.  You do no owe me anything.  You don’t even need to respond to this letter.  I am not writing it to evoke a response.  I prefer that my thoughts to you stay with you alone.  I must admit, I don’t enjoy being the subject of more gossip but if I must, I am willing to pay that price.  It matters no to me anymore.  If it does, then I really have learned nothing through all of this.

“Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus in sincerity.”   (Eph. 6:24) Grace be you.

Your brother,

Jeff Lehmkuhl

What I find interesting about Jeff's letter is that it shows the subjective, psudo-spiritual type of thinking that we learned in the Assembly is still with Jeff.

He feels that it was wrong to disband.  Why?  Because, as it appears from the letter, he had some internal sway that caused him to believe that God has told him this.   Note, please, there is no concrete reason why it was wrong to disband.  It is simply this personal, subjective, conviction he claims God laid on his heart.
 
The random text he pulls out is, "He would not extinguish a dimly burning wick".  This verse in Isaiah is not a guideline as to whether or not to disband churches.  This phrase was a Messianic attribute prophetically spoken of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Jeff could have just as easily quoted the verse in Revelation that says, "I will pluck your candle from its lampstand" and drawn the exact opposite conclusion.  But, when you are subjectively “led”, you pick out the verses you like.

In contrast, most people who think objectively would say something like, "I don't think we should have disbanded because I think we can still be effective in the community without George." or "I don't think we should have disbanded because everything about David and George and the leadership's involvement was fabricated" or "I really would like to start teaching the Bible again.  Wanna come?"

Instead, he meanders in this quagmire of mystical direction from the Lord interpreted through vaguely relevant proof texts.

It doesn’t matter to me if he worships with his family in his home.  Further, it doesn’t matter to me if friends of his want to join him.  But, I think this mystical approach to decision making is for people who want to keep their head in a cloud, ignore the real world, and decide based upon how one feels in instead of what can be objectively known.     It makes one like a feather, floating along in the winds of feelings and change while calling it spiritual discernment.  It is this subjective nonsense camouflaged with spiritual-babble that made it so hard for us to leave.  It is this subjective nonsense camouflaged with spiritual-babble that makes one ripe for a George to come along and tell you what to do.

Are you saying that Jeff has totally renounced the excommunication of George?????  Or have they renounced George, but want to just continue?
What is he saying here?......that he has determined once again that the rest of the Christian community doesn't get it...doesn't see the "heavenly vision"?  

Dave,
I have to say that I do care whether Jeff's friends come to meet with him if this is the case.  This is extremely disturbing.  

I do agree with you about the spiritual babble and using scripture to support your own agenda, assembly style.  It's very easy to see now.


Andrea -- ready again to discuss and debate the debacle of the geftakys assemblies.

The Assembly Cult has taken a quantum leap.  Last year I was convinced that Jeff would start a 'new' assembly in SLO by the end of the year.  I was two months off.  Here is an interesting article that chronicles the stages cults go through in their evolution.

http://www.cesap.net/randallenglish.htm

Jack

There is no good can come of this.

Anyone anywhere who has any dealings with "Current" Assembly people are in danger of being ruined by the Leaven of the Pharisees which can stifle or stunt even a healthy "Christian Church" or "believer's" walk with Christ. It is no small matter. They are smooth talkers and will trap your soul like a bird.

 :'(Hugh :'(

Great questions Andrea!

And, it's good to have you back.

I learned who has what cards over the last few days, in case any of you were wondering what in the @#ck I was doing.

Jeff is back as a full-fledged Geftakysite.

Trying to get him to admit this is like trying to pin water to the wall, (harder than jello) but the buzz is that George is innocent, because no one has come forward, IE the women, or the LB's that they spoke to.

I'll know more later perhaps.

This is no good at all.  It is worse than worse.  Jeff's house was clean and swept and now the demon has returned with 7 of his friends.

Pray for his family, as their pop is now "serving the lord,"  small case "L" here.

Brent

Well, my heart is burning again.  I got caught up on the last week's posts and find it hard to believe that somehow we can't pin anything on the people who want to continue to perpetrate the lies and etc.

It reminds me of about four years ago when I began to search online in the Orange County registers to find out who owned the homes that were used in Fullerton.  I got nowhere.  I didn't have tangible proof that something was really wrong with the assemblies.  I knew it in my heart, but never could pin anything down.

As we were privy (quite close to firsthand) to what was going on in the meetings in Fullerton in Dec.02/Jan 03....in concurrence with getting information on the GA.com website, I finally felt assured that I (I guess I really should say we...to include Joe)....anyway, I felt assured that I finally had all of the information that I needed that George was a full fledged liar/adulterer.  This being confirmed by those close to George in the "work".  

....Not to mention the fact that not only were our concerns about the ministry itself confirmed, but were much worse than we had even imagined.  

To now continue to hear that people are clearly being fed lie after lie just kills me.  Ugh.  I come back to post then to express my opinions and band together with the other assembly rejects(a noble term, I tell you!).

Andrea

Personally, I look at this much more optimistically.  Perhaps it is because I have been out of the Assembly longer than I have been in.  Perhaps it is because I live in North Carolina, as far from my Fullerton roots as I can be.

There has been loads of Assembly people who have reestablished aquantance with me.  There are exponentially many more people who have left the Assembly who will have nothing to do with George than the few who choose to reassiociate with him.  I have become reaquanted with the  Andersons, the Hinmans, the Kehoes, the Summerfords - people I thought I would never speak with again.

Even those I know in the Assembly do not look at Christians on the outside with the exclusiveness that they once did.

Yes, I know there are those who have never known healthy churches and are attempting to resurrect George's ministry out of the ashes.  But, in comparison, these are the extreme few.  Further, they won't get very far.  They are supporting a ministry of an 70-80 year old man who "writes" books that no one can understand.  Tim, Scott, Dan, Jeff, etc. may secure some followers, but they will never generate the awe the master apostle did when we were college students in the height of the Jesus Movement.

I agree what Jeff is doing is unwise and I wish he would throw his gifts and talents in a ministry where people can mentor him in healthy ways of doing things.  But, he is not and that's his choice.  He is clearly in the vast minority on this one.

Personally, I am more concerned at the brazen anarchy being expressed by the militant homosexual lobby, the angry secularism expressed by Hollywood liberals, and the relentless pursuit of groups such as the ACLU that seek to marginalize Christians from all aspects of society than I am about the handful of people who Jeff is going to get to worship together in his living room.

God has done a great miracle.  The walls of testimony were demolished and instead of the enemy coming in like a flood, the people escaped.  Yes, a few fleas remain loyal to George, but that is there choice.  No matter what happens, there will always be someone, somewhere who believes George.  But, no longer is it the vast majority.

Hi, Dave,

This is the same attitude many people (maybe even you) took in the late 80's/early 90's when they left fellowship during the first big wave of departures.

How many people would you like to see recruited in the SF, SLO & Riverside areas before you deem it worth someone's while to try and stop it? Seriously. Is it OK to throw up your hands and walk away because Lemkuhl will only recruit one teenager out of his auto shop class this year? Do you think it is worth while if he gets three families? Hmm. What about 1 teenager, 3 families and a couple college students. Then would the numbers be sufficient to justify someone spending time on this?

I'm not trying to be smart. Just making a point. I know you don't believe that someone should not stand up for Christ or Christian principles just because the number of people affected is small. But essentially that is what you are saying.

Brent and others on this board are uniquely qualified to put an end to this garbage. This is in Brent's HOMETOWN. That's their mission. You are gifted in your writing and have a position in the media. Perhaps you personally are called to stand against the things you mentioned above. The two are complementary.

Scott

Hi folks,

Say, I read that Jeff Lemkuhl has received a "prompting from the Lord".   :o

I have been reading my Bible for 43 years now, and I haven't got to the "Prompting from the Lord" part yet.

Maybe I'll make it this year.  ;)

Anyone know just where that passage is found?

Thomas Maddux

Hi again,

When I was a member of the One True Church, I used to attend the seminars.   :'(  

At each seminar a group photograph would be taken.  I have one next to me right now.  My daughter Grace looks about six, so it must be from around 1974 or so.

I can see Jim and Brenda McCumber, Wally Steinke, Kurt Green, Mark Campbell, Al and Kathy Hartman, Mark Wheel, Steve Fortescue, Tom Moraitis, Tony Gerisak, Stuart Slack, Rob Coen, Sonny Brown, Pat Evert, Kurt and Andra Green, Steve and Margaret Irons, Paula Kahn, John DeSimone, Rand Bates, , the LB from Chicago that married Mary Fitzpatrick, Ken?, Beth Alex, Perry and Elaine Minimiti, Robin Catlin, Kevin Healy, Mike Monagh, John Arevalo, Doug Reneau, ...plus a whole bunch of folks whose names I can't recall right now.


Now, to the point of all this.  As I collected these pictures, most of which I have lost or discarded years ago, I began to notice a steady turnover through the assembly.  These folks I have named all left the assembly.

As I was working my way out of the assembly, I read many books...that is how my personality type, ISTJ, makes decisions. We collect information.    One of the books I read informed me that modern young people use cults the way my generation used military service.

From 1939-1945, and from 1950-1972 all healthy young men were subject to two year's mandatory military service.

Many of us just went ahead and joined up, not waiting to be "drafted".  In many ways it was a great experience, (If they didn't happend to be having a war right then).

You had a job, three squares, a paycheck, and you were out of your mom and dad's house.  It was sort of a half way house for young men between adolescence and full adulthood.

Nowdays, many young people cycle through cults in a similar fashion.  They stay a few years and move on.

That is exactly what happened in the assembly for the majority of people over the years.  Some stayed for many years, (like me), having issues that they weren't willing to face, in many cases.

So, in answer to the question, "How many teenagers will Jeff Lemkuhl recruit...the answer is a few.  Most will pass on in a few years.

If they don't meet Jeff, they will meet something else. Maybe something a whole lot worse.

 I am not saying this to discourage attempts to diminish these bozo's influence.  I am just pointing out that this is a common phenomena that we aren't going to eleminate.

We do need to keep this in perspective.

God bless,

Thomas Maddux

So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.  I Sam 25:22

Dear fellow BBS members,

I know you're probably wondering what this is all about.  I've wrestled months and months to get to know what the will of the Lord is in this situation.  After years of study, prayer and godly counsel I've decided to tell Jeff to stick it.  I know that some of you may not agree, but don't try to hold me back people.  I didn't confer with flesh and blood on this one.  It comes straight from the top.  

Oh, but wait, let me unwittingly blurt out that I've sought godly counsel on the matter (there's wisdom in it you know) and the ice-cream truck guy told me to do it.  Ok, well, him and the garbage man agreed on the matter, so there were a multitude of counselors.  "You tell that man to stick it like the piece of trash that it is, son" were his exact words.  I think he may have a vested interest in such matters, but he's been collecting trash for 55 years so I think he knows what he's talking about.

I must beg your forgiveness.  You see I've put up with that low-life, forked-tounge, snake-spitting, scum-sucking, calling-him-a-dog-is-inhumanity-to-our-canine-friends ... for far too long. If only I would have gone up to him and slapped him silly the first time I heard the elixir of obfuscation protude from his orifice, we all wouldn't be in this mess.  I should not have allowed him to prance around pretending that he's a man--nay, even a leader of men.  My buddy Frank and many others were horrified at that sight. It has taken poor Frank countless weekends of wild boar hunting and more than a few home improvement projects (with a heavy emphasis on those requiring power tools) to regain his sense of manhood.  For this I do apologize.  But I'm feeling much better now.

Frankly, I ask for your forgiveness to even bring up these details.  You and I both know that we shouldn't talk about these things, but you know that the just plain utter naughtiness of Jeffrey made me do it.

And have I mentioned that our God is a God of wrath, a consuming fire and that Judas went out and hung himself (Matt 27:5)?
But I believe much better things of you brethren. We are not of those who shrink back, so I just want you to know that we'll be throwing darts at the pub every Friday night.  We'll have a simple but joyful time of throwing darts at a picture of Jeff in effigy.  "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work." (II Cor. 9:8)

Finally, I do not mean to give any of you guys ulcers, but I just want you to know that Jeff's an idiot and we should all tell him to stick it.  I prefer that this not be read...oh who am I kidding, I know you're all greedy for that tasty morsel that slides down.  Go ahead and be a talebearer see if I care. And I didn't really like you anyways.  It's all a sham. I just wanted you in the bar on Friday 'cause I get five bucks a head commission.  There, I said it.  
Oh but wait, that makes me a better man than the vermin in question.


Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  

I hear ya Dave.  You know there's got to be a special place in hell for these guys.  I happened to catch a glimpse of an interview with one of the guys from queer eye... He said something to the effect that he believed he was a servant of God breaking down walls of hostitly and ignorance.  Can we say "messed in the head"?
What in the u-know-what is wrong with people?  Homosexuality is being embraced like it's mom's homemade cookies.  There shouldn't even be a question about what marriage is.  The whole world's gone crazy.

They've changed terminology.  Homosexuality is a "preference" or an "orientation".  Bull-poopie!  Try "perversion" and "abomination".
Oh, and if you don't agree with the homosexual agenda, you're a homophobe.  Wrong again, rr's.  I don't fear men doing-u-know-what to each other, but I do fear God who will destroy such wickedness in unquenchable fire.  

Why don't people get it?  I mean, if someone has a nack for eating his own poop, most of us would agree that he's got a problem.  Why then has one man doing God knows what with another man become acceptable?  

Oh, we're such an advanced and modern civilization.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that both the rise of homosexuality and of teaching evolution are God's way of saying, look at how low you've stooped.  "Instead of believing in me--you're creator and loving God--you end up thinking you came from monkeys and now you even do unspeakable sex acts with each other.   Is it really worth being so darn prideful and refusing to believe in God? Look! Just look at what you've become!"

Get me off this crazy heap.

Arthur

You are ready you have the Assembly style down pat. Just fire off tons of scripture with no cohesion and smile alot and give it in an authoritarian voice. People will lap it up. And every now and then contradict what you just said and see if they notice. The ones who keep saying Amen have the potential and should be recruited. The ones who disagree should be rebuked as not entreatable. Some are sincere but so sad that they have to deal with being the only ones who really know the Lord's leading. They are so misunderstood and are persecuted like Jesus and Paul.They have risked all to follow the only true way. Why don't people leave these poor innocent people alone. They mean well and only have the best of intentions for all. Remember what difference does it make if someone is messed up and kills themselves. They were destined to die we have the truth, they were not worthy of us after all. What if some give all their money time and health for the Assembly. Is it not the only true Church. Is it not the only way to find the rewards in heaven. Some have gone to those other Churches and they will come back. They are fools and will repent like me <Jeff>. Lord bless you all we love everyone especially the Assembly brethren.

How's that Arthur have I got the style right?

Hugh ;D

Tom,

Now that would be a great pic to post!

Was it taken in Fullerton? I don't remember my parents going to a seminar in '74 (but I don't remember as well as I used to). I do remember going to Fullerton for a seminar when I was in third grade (75 or 76). We mainly stayed with Paul Ryan and his family.

By some miracle I was allowed to read instead of take notes. That's when I read The Chronicles of Narnia for the first time. That was also when I visited George in his study. ;)

You've really got to get the picture posting thing figured out. ;D

S

As if on cue!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/newstmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=529&e=8&u=/ap/20040302/ap_en_mo/film_disney_narnia_2

Link's too long but basically they are making The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe movie.

S

Actually, it was just the opposite.  During the Irons Age Exodus of 1990, we had the attitude of many on this bulletin board.  We had many discussions.  We felt we had to warn people.  We met with the Passintinos with Christian Research Ministry.  We sent out the Noble Inquirer to challenge George's teaching.  We felt our life's ministry was to correct the wrongs in the Assembly.

But over the subsequent 14 years as hurt healed and resentment ceased we gradually moved onto other things.   We became leaders in other churches.  We began finding ministries.  We took up hobbies and other causes.  We no longer became consumed with concern over every little thing they did.  In short, we got a life.

I would prefer that they not meet and that Jeff goes on to use his gifts in a place where he can be mentored.  I urge Jeff to get involved with a strong, successful church in the SLO area in order to see and experience how good Pastor-leaders work, how good elder boards work, how good small groups work, etc.  Healing is more than just talking about how a hearthy church should work.  One needs to be a part of one and see for yourself.

But, if Jeff decides to spurn this advise and believe George, what should we do?  Stand on his lawn with signs in order to break up his living room gathering?  I think I have better things to do.

If you see a teenager who is meeting with Jeff, take him out for Hot Chocolate and have a talk with him.  Maybe he'll listen.  I'm not saying everyone needs to be quiet and sit on their hands.  I'm just trying to provide balance and convey that this is not a major crisis that should consume our lives.

Ultimately, people are going to make their own choices.  Some choices will disappoint us.  There will always be those who believe George.

Authur,

Good posts.

I have been coming to the conviction that our country is roughly divided into two groups:  Those who believe in God and those who believe they are God.

-Dave

Dave,

I really don't think that people posting on here are letting this consume their lives (at least it is not consuming mine...not even close).  
I think that some of us who only left early last year still have folks that we love that are still either believing the lies that George is telling, or if they are not doing that, they are still not admitting what the assembly was/is.

My opinion is that there may still be a few who are looking on here to see what is being said.  Therefore, we post as an additional warning.

I think that some of the people here would agree that even a few years in the SLO assembly might not be a very good thing.  Perhaps I'm wrong.

Andrea

p.s.  Dave, we are going to a CMA church in our hometown and we love it!  

I also am in agreement with you both as to the state of this country.  Lord, please return soon!

That is an excellent point, Andrea.  To be honest, I don't know the SLO folks that well (I remember having Jeff over for dinner at the Iron's house once) so I feel more detached from what he does.   However, it is indeed difficult to see someone you love make the wrong choice.  Thanks.

Dave,

It is my belief that the reason you were able to move on and get a life was that you had truly repented of your assembly involvement.  And your repentance was demonstrated by your eagerness to publicly warn others.  I'll bet you're glad you did.


Jeff attended a very healthy church for the past year and has had a chance to acknowledge the truth and repent.  His letter shows he is not interested in repentance at all, but in rebuilding what God destroyed.

Jack

The Lord Jesus warned to 'beware of the leaven of the Pharisees'.  It would have been best for him to stay away from the existing assembly crowd and get on with his life. Looks like he has been swayed by the assembly twist.  It is not a small matter to mingle with assembly-sympathizers because they know very well how to twist the Scriptures and dance around and present their point of view.
Jeff Lehmkuhl is unstable.  He is tossed about and did not grow up when the truth finally came to him.  So he repented at the reconcilliation meeting that took place in January of 2003, in San Luis Obispo.  And now he has repented of the reconcilliation meeting that took place in January of 2003, in San Luis Obispo.  What next?  Anyone feeling seasick yet?

Eph 4:14-15 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the head, even Christ,

Also, many LBs/wannabees/workers compromised their conscience in order to achieve their positions.  So now pride kicks in, and it becomes a never-ending cycle of destruction.

Marcia

Tom,

This is a really good perspective.  Thanks for sharing.

Many times I felt like I was in the army living in those training homes.  What did people do before those drafts?  Work on the farm, I imagine.

Funny thing is that when I was in the assembly I thought it would be for life.  I guess this was because I thought it was where God called me and because I wouldn't be a faithful, stick-it-out kind of guy if I left.  I wonder if I would still be there today if it didn't go really sour there at the end, or if I hadn't had lived in the training homes.  I don't think so.

What about those people who were still in it past a few years?  I'm talking about some bro's in their 40's still sleeping in bunk-beds sharing a room.  I think even army lifers have it better than that.  

Hugh, you could be the next Jim Jones.   :o  ;)

In a few days, I'll post, hopefully on the main website as well as here, an article that not only shows how messed up Jeff's letter is, but chronicles some very good reasons why the best thing he could have done was to step out of leadership.

He is "repenting," of doing what the facts demand is the only reasonable thing to do, that is cease leading on account of moral, ethical and intellectual failings, as well as general incompetence.

I also want to say something about my friend Heide, who is mentioned in the Addict's letter.

Heide came to that "worship" meeting, because she was going to get a public apology from Jeff and Roberto for them having called her a liar when she sent out an email protesting the cover-up of David Geftaky's abuse of Judy.  The addict's, knowing full well that multiple incidents of abuse had occured, told everyone that Heide was lying in order to preserve "The New Testament" gathering that the Addict refers to in his letter below.

Jeff apologized to Heide beforehand, and told her that he would never lead anyone again.  Roberto Sanchez, however, would not apologize and it was he who made the public horror referred to in the Addict's letter, not Heide.

Jeff is not only confused, arrogant and full of idoloatry, he is also a pathological liar.  Plenty of people who were there have a much different story to tell about what went on.

Furthermore, at the time, I found out exactly what happened, and the Addict's Jeff and Roberto, along with Danny Edwards and myself were meeting weekly with Bryan Stupar at the time.  After the incident where Roberto disrupted worship,  all of us discussed this thing, and Jeff and Danny agreed that Roberto needed to apologize to Heide for what he did in the "worship disruption."

A week later, the final Assembly meeting was held.  Roberto gave a pseudo-apology there, and then told another lie about why Heide was not there to hear him.

In the next few days, I will hopefully have a clearer picture about a few more things, and have a better idea about what to do.  However, for now let me assure you that there are several complete and total lies in Jeff's letter.

No lie is of the truth,  and Jeff has hung himself and solidified his reputation with this.  

Heide, on the other hand, is simply being slandered yet again, by a spineless, idolatrous moron.

My only regret is that Heide didn't disrupt their accursed worship.  My respect for her would be even greater if she had done so.  Sadly, it was only the belicose voice of a geftakysservant that was heard that morning.

Brent

Hi Brent,

You mentioned "their accursed worship".  A little more than a year ago I remember that you were so happy that the leading bro's had repented and invited you to break bread with them and everyone still left in the assembly there in the Sands.  It was like a watershed event, like God's light broke through.

Was all that was just a fake?  Maybe it was real for Danny but not Jeff and Roberto?
They were in the hot seat then, all the stuff with David and their mistakes were recently exposed, so I guess they just went along to get out of the heat, eh?

Man is that sad.  Jeff met with you and pastor Brian for how many weeks?  And he went to a normal church for a year?  He even signed up on this bulletin board to let people get in contact him (which now looks like probably just a gesture).  After all that, he gets this revelation that he needs to go back.  Good grief, he is an addict...and a pathological liar...and a "spineless, idolatrous moron". Yep, yep and yep.

Hmm...I'm getting a thought here.  Who cares.  If he's going to hell, I doubt any of us could get pry him out of the handbasket.  I'd like to give him a few swift kicks on the way down, but that's just personal.  Guess I'm not loving my enemies.  What would Sondra say...oh well, not that that matters much.

Arthur

It turns out that at least Jeff and Roberto were not at all sincere.  The whole thing was a ploy to get me to shut up for them. I still believe different for Danny.

They weren't giving God any worship.  They remain liars.

Brent

Sucks.   >:(

Yes Arthur, it does suck! :'( But, I still believe that there were many in that room who were very sincere and repentant and we did witness God's miraculous healing and incredible joy that day.  I see that I have been made the fool again.  You see, I really believed that these leading brothers were sincere in their repentance and the letter they wrote.  Can you imagine the hurt we felt when a leading brother came clean and basically said,"The only reason we met with you (and our pastor), was to get you to shut up and close down the internet site." I was completly devastated . That feeling has returned.  

The other day I had the unpleasant opportunity to see my dog vomit.  What was even worse (way worse) was seeing her AND our 8 week old puppy start EATTING it! I felt nothing but embarrassment and humor (we had some dear friends over) at the time  but now I see it as a picture of Jeff Lehmkuhl returning to his own vomit, that yoke of  bondage.  My friend pointed out, "You guys gave the Ipacac, but they didn't want to throw up."  Well Jeff, enjoy your "second" course.

Bon Appetit!
Suzie

Thank God for that.  These are dear friends.


Wasn't the lowest hell in Dante's inferno occupied by those who betrayed a friend's trust?
That vomit analogy really hits it.  Yelch!  Reminds me of Poltergeist II (I don't recommend it) where the guy coffs up a 200 pound demon.  What Jeff spewed out was nothing other than evil, and now he's slurping it back up. <shakes head>  You guys did your best, I wouldn't feel too bad about it.  Though I don't want to minimize the pain that it caused, I totally know how you feel.  But I don't think there's much more that could be done about guys like him.  Looks like that's just the nature of the beast.  

In retrospect, this might have been a fascinating encounter with brute beasts in their natural habitat that we would otherwise only have read about, kinda like Gorilla's in the Mist -- make it, Dogs and Pigs in the Mist.  Well, it would've been were it not for the bite marks they left.

Arthur

Suzie,

This should encourage you.  A sister who had left the Ottawa assembly, about 11 years ago now, discovered the GA website last fall.  Margaret put her in touch with me and we have been phoning each other ever since.  She thought only Ottawa had had the problems, for which she left in the first place.  She was surprised to learn that similar problems existed in all the Geftakys assemblies.  Anyway, recently she asked me to gather some info from the internet on ICOC in the Hamilton Ontario area.  She passed on the info to the parent of the boy who was being recruited via outreach at a university campus in the area.  The son backed off from joining the group as a result.  So websites can be effective in saving people from cults, as it has been to deliver us from Geftakysism.  I, for one, am thankful that you and Brent did what you did.

Lord bless,
Marcia

P.S. Hi robkaz2! 8)

I'll leave that to someone in leadership.

I just call them as I see them.  :o

I think people need to see how serious this all is. The dog with the vomit is a good way to put it. You would not believe what people will do until you see it happen. Pride and spiritual delusions of grandeur are rampant among the leaders in the Assembly. They are dangerous to themselves and others. I think they have ruined enough lives for now it is time to have the Lord's help to save other truly innocent people in the Campuses and streets from this scourge to Christianity.

I am very sad that I ever was involved with this quote unquote Ministry. I don't wish this nightmare on anyone. I wish I could wake up and find out it was all a bad dream.

 :'(Anyone who trivializes this is not aware of the power of suggestion and brainwashing.  :'(

There are many wounded people as a result of their association with the Assembly. I for one am going to a healthy Church and am enjoying every minute of it.  ;DThank you Jesus ;D. I am there to listen and learn and correct the garbage that I learned in the GG dynasty.  >:(If people feel they are ready to lead fresh out of the Assembly I suggest you are only fooling yourself. >:( The brainwashing I received goes very deep. I read verses and I hear George's voice almost. I hope people are honest about their involvement. You need to sit and watch and pray and see what a healthy faith based Church is about.  ::)It may appeal to you to go spouting off verses and be an expert in absolutely everything biblical and non biblical but we have two ears and one mouth and that is God's design not ours. I hope you all get it. ???

We need the whole Trinity to fix us up and we need to find out again what it means to hear God's voice and to get His leading. The ministry we got by and large was just garbage. It was all about outward performance with lip service to heart reality.  :(Stay away from the leaven of the Pharisees. You will end up like Jeff if you don't.  :(They are only sucking you in by their sweet siren voices but the rocks will sink your ship of faith. They can get all the information they need on the website. They are really not open to listen if they have not come out of hiding by now. Leave them alone, warn others, join a healthy Church and please don't bring your baggage with you, leave it at the door. You will be healed but it may take time.

Hey Arthur
Lord bless you  ;D

I felt shock treatment is the only way to wake us all up.

Hugh  ;D

I agree with you Hugh, it is very sad and deeply wounding.  I don't know how long it's been for you to be out, but I'm happy to say that it's a been about three years now and for the last few months I haven't heard George's words in my head or even thought much about the assembly at all.  I've taken some time off and haven't read the word much, but now I think I'm about to get back into it with a fresh view on life.

For so long I wondered about why God led me as he did and about the trama I went through and about how alone I felt.  But now it seems like God can indeed give me back my life as much as he can take it.  I keep telling him to take it easy because I don't know if I can go through something like that again and ever find my way back to sanity.  Who knows what the future holds.  I hope that I will always find the faith to trust that he is good and is watching over me.

Perhaps something like the Geftaksy Assembly is just a precursor to the battles ahead that we'll have to fight.   It may be that all of us will have to make our stand in the battle of good verses evil.  If so, our experience certainly has taught us much.

Lord bless you Hugh
Arthur

P.S. I don't know if you are into Star Trek very much, but there was an episode of The Next Generation in which one individual Borg named Hugh managed to be free from the Borg collective.  Your name reminded me of it.

wow, he even uses the same verse. i bet this is the first verse all the assembly kids have to learn in kids group these days. ONE THING, kids, ONLY one thing you really really need to do, and that is FORGET EVERYTHING that the people you looked up to and loved and trusted have done to betray you and give us your minds and hearts, here in this tiny isolated little bible study, so we can mold you into believing that everyone else out there is sick and wrong. fellowship with the vast overwhelming majority of the christian community is what we have LEFT BEHIND *jeff begins frantically tying on blindfolds and stuffing cotton in little ears*


ah, a coincidence. clearly a sign of God's hand at work. unless it always takes jeff a year to make a single decision on his own, in which case this would be a sign of jeff at work.


yes, being blatantly and publicly double-minded and double-faced usually takes some serious private pep talks.


*brian grabs the front of jeff's shirt and pulls him into an eyeball-to-eyeball stare*

oh yes, just a bit.


wow jeff, you are so much more generous than you ever were for all those years you actually had a flock to lead. look at you, allowing us to have our own opinions and everything.


you hope thats what we see - even though that is not there to be seen. yes, well i can see where you would hope that.


these are the babblings of the quintessential doubleminded man, unstable in all his ways. anyone who could sign their name to the repentance letter that he did, publicly acknowledge fault, publicly step down, etc. then go back on it so completely could not possibly be anything but double-minded. he has now REPENTED (not just mumbled an apology, but REPENTED) in two diametrically opposed directions. so which one is the REAL repentence? which time was he REALLY reacting to God's voice? this blatant contradiction in thought, speech and behavior shows a fractured personality, and there is no way for him to escape the effects of that fracture.

what he is saying in the above paragraph is that God did not want the assembly in slo to disband, but men forced it to happen against God's will, and the main reason this amazing feat was possible is because JEFF did not stop it from happening. of course it has nothing to do with the blatant gross sins of physical and sexual abuse that jeff KNEW were going on and helped to cover up. that is why jeff is now repenting of not working much much harder to help cover it all up.


yes, so who is telling you to crawl back into the grave and play dead??


oh, so now not only did some men force something to happen against God's will, but YOU are the one who actually caused it ALL?? i guess i should be more careful where i drip my sarcasm. who knows what you might extinguish next.


i can see your months of private soliloquy have been fruitful. you have arrived at the conclusion that what went wrong is everyone just got kind of disheartened because of things you ALLOWED to happen. you must have a hard life, opening up the paper and reading of all the terrible things happening in the world that you are ALLOWING to happen on a daily basis. we'll all be sure to check with you first next time before speaking the truth, to make sure it is allowed. if only you had shouted 'ARE YOU REJOICING BROTHER?' a little more frantically and twice as often noone would have gotten disheartened and none of this would have happened.


based on your own admission to having allowed all these things that you call so very sinful and wrong, why should anyone ever believe you when you say you are hearing God's voice again? apart from all the glaring reasons noone will ever take anything you say seriously again that are waiting out there in consensual reality for you to stumble across.


if you really thought mentioning those details was something we needed to forgive, you could have easily deleted them BEFORE YOU SENT US THE LETTER. you can't even be internally consistent long enough to write a letter, and you want to start up a gathering of God's people in your home, alone, starting with just your family. my heart sobs for what you will put your family though.


well as long as reopening old and slightly healed wounds is necessary for YOU, then thats all that really matters i guess.

(continued in part 2)

this is part 2. read the post before this one for context.


well at least you're a quick learner. hopefully it will take you less than a year to learn that usually when things are costly and very unpopular among God's people (you know, the ones NOT in a cult) its because they are sick and wrong.


yeah, fellowship is highly overrated anyway. its probably best to follow that voice inside that tells you to cut off all fellowship and just meet with yourself in your own house. its so much easier to convince yourself that those voices are God speaking when you are isolated, and then you'll feel really good about God speaking to you. and hey, He is saying exactly what you think, which is just another one of those miraculous coincidences that only confirms that what you want to do is God's will, and God's will is what you want to do.


does this conjure up images for anyone else of david sitting across the table from jeff glaring at jeff while he writes this, making comments and corrections as he goes? or perhaps george leaning over from behind and barking into his ear? david and george both repeated themselves a lot just for occasions like this, when one is sitting alone and waiting for someone from their past to tell them what to do. so jeff, you still believe in seeking Godly counsel, yet the counsel that lead you to write this letter and take these actions all happened years ago? what about the Godly counsel at the church you have been attending, what did they say?

and btw, you seem deeply confused about what a multitude of counselors looks like. you spending many years praying, reading the bible, and giving counsel does not a multitude of counselors make. finding wisdom in a multitude of counselors involves listening with an open mind to a variety of Godly people who may not tell you what you want to hear. the very fact that you naturally link the above concepts in your mind shows the depth of your self-deception.


well lets hope noones reaction to it disturbs your happily forgetful little daydream. otherwise this little plan of yours could go horribly wrong, and the most embarassing parts of your thoroughly corrupted character will be out in public for everyone to see.


to continue in His word means simply just what?? there is nothing "simply just" about that whole big pile of disgusting fakery you are trying to use to hide from the reality of what you are doing and thinking. just because you are repeating spiritual phrases does not mean you are living them, and fellowship seems to be pretty high on your priority list of things you want your head firmly in the sand about. you are trying to say that to continue in His word means to rebuild the assembly, which is such a twisted thing to say that you are muffing it badly. there is just no way to say it without massive internal contradictions (let alone glaring external ones).


yeah, that would be the brainwashing we have all been talking about. i've never seen such a clear and public example of its effects.


if only your determination to direct your own steps into His will is all it took... being isolated in your house will certainly help you convince yourself you are in His will, which clearly is all you are really after here.


*brian visibly winces*


i think its pretty well been established in christianity that the Father will be glorified by the Son. but i really don't think mysticism is going to lead you into the peace and clarity you seek in what you call "God's will". the closest you will ever get to peace is by hiding from anyone who points out your glaring contradictions in character, because you simply can't bear to face them and resolve them. if you could, then you would start really finding peace, and you would babble empty spiritual-sounding phrases a lot less, which would be nice.


the penny drops. this is actually a bible study invitation. the first part is what we call "patter". remember all those great sales techniques we all learned in order to polish up our outreach and invitation skills?

jeff could have told us lots of practical ways his new and improved (50% more for free) service to God is manifesting itself, but we conveniently learn that it is in the form of a meeting in his home, which, btw, we are all welcome to come to. jeff, you sly dog, could you BE any more obvious as to your true motives in sending these letters?


that sounds nice too. when should i come over?


it really makes so much sense that you would prefer that.


can i quote you on the learning nothing part as soon as it starts mattering to you?

all that being said, i really don't think we have much to fear from this guy. its just that, instead of wasting 20 or so years of his life, he is determined to waste a few more. his conscience has been seared off, he has fractured his personality by allowing corruption into his deepest parts, and he will most likely never get free from the effects of that. its tragic and sad, but it was his choice. what makes my blood boil is that it was not his childrens choices - and lets hope it stops there, and no other young innocents get pulled in. for these reasons, i think you should react to this letter and what is happening around it if you want to, and if you have moved on and really would be better off not getting involved then i would never judge you for that. we are all at very different places, and i don't think any of us can say conclusively what the proper reaction for anyone else is. there are legitimate moral outrages being perpetrated here, many of which have yet to come to light, so its not fair to say that people who get involved with this need to "get a life". on the other hand, moral outrages occur every day around all of us, and it is each individual's decision as to which ones they will respond to. i for one am not finished making sure these guys don't hurt anyone else and eventually face the consequences of their actions over all these years. and there are far more dedicated folks than me who feel the same way, so kudos to them for fighting the good fight.

brian

I am out since July 2003.  ;DSo you saw me on Star Trek ;D I was a new recruit in the Assembly and was dubed a nickname like Picards I was "the cutest of the Borg". ;D

I like Star Trek because it deals with real situations and resolves them in insightful ways. I know the Assembly leaders were more "spiritual" but I am sorry because most of the time I just "missed" their subjective "mysticism".

Lord bless

Hugh :)

Brian, you have quite a talent for gossip. :)  But, since Jeff won't be reading this BB, you are quite safe; he won't know. ;)

I was thinking that the reason Jeff threw in the "multitude of counsellors" part was just in case he did manage to recruit some poor soul. He would not want that individual making up his own mind like he, Jeff, did. ::)  But rather he would want that inidividual to seek his, Jeff's, counsel about everything so that he, Jeff, could control him. :(

I feel sorry for Jeff's wife and kids.  Actually, I do not know about his wife.  Is she right alongside with him on this?

Marcia

Thanks Brian,

You expressed my thoughts better than I could have.  At face value, Jeff's letter is exactly what you say.  However, as you suggest in your commentary, the history of the last year demonstrates that Jeff is thoroughly corrupted.

The only thing sad about this is the thought of his children, who have been making friends and enjoying their new church.  How cruel of Jeff to put his vision of automatons filling his living room, wearing ties and headcoverings and saying "Amen, Praise the Lord," ahead of the emotional and spiritual well being of his children.

Well, hey, the Bible says that we must hate father, mother, children for His sake, right?  Just substitute "His" referring of course to God, for "Geftakys Assembly," and Jeff is doing great.

I am sure all of you understand the many nuances and dire warnings Jeff gives us in his letter, but in case somone hasn't read it too carefully, I want to point out a few things.

"I conferred with no one and sought no ones' approval,"  means he spoke with Scott Testa, Dan Matsen-boze, and possibly Wes Cohen, and did exactly what they said.  Anyone who knows Jeff----I saw him daily for 14 of 17 years in fellowship, and weekly for the other 3 years---knows that Jeff never does anything without being told.  He is the quintessestial lieutenant, great at carrying out orders, but entirely unable to do anything on his own.

Jeff not only didn't "run this by" any of the SLO pastors that are personally involved with the Assembly, and were there when Jeff "repented," he has been lying to them since day one!!  The candlestick that Jeff is going to put up in his house is lit by a dung fire.  Grace and truth are not part of its foundation, but lies and deception are.

However, the most ominous phrase in Jeff's letter is where he says:


What this means is that Jeff is worshipping Scott Testa----that's the disciple part.  
However, what is even worse is that Jeff is going to need some disciples in order to get that part of the "New Testament simplicity," on line.

He hopes these "disciples" will come from his letter, his fellow addicts who live next door to him----picture 3 houses next door to eachother,  the Lehmkuhl's,  a "brothers'" house filled with Jeff and Roberto's former butlers and servants, and the Sanchez's in the third house.  That's their living situation, an Assembly ghetto-----and the worst thing of all......Jeff hopes to get some disciples from his kids friends at highschool and from his influence as a teacher there.  

He did it in the past, and he is going back to what he used to do (forgetting those things that are behind apparently means the last year only, he should remember and practice everything else).

My efforts are going to be directed at marking him and isolating him from the youth of San Luis Obispo, who may get sucked in like I did.

Jeff has declared with his letter that his God is George's vision.  Jeff's Christ isn't a person, it's a gathering of sick, deceived people.  Jeff's idea of discipling is to brainwash a person into sacrificing themselves to further the cause of a cult, who's ulitmate end is to meet the personal needs of the leaders.

Jeff misses that the most.  It was financially better for him when he had four or five rent paying brothers to train and order around.  He needs that now, because being a normal person in a healthy church just isn't as fulfilling.

Brent

About the Jeff L. situation:

Jeff, whom I've never met, but with whom I have something in common.  

Lonely, dissolusioned, I once tried to go back to the assembly.  This was years ago.  What I remember was being lonely, being drawn once again like a magnet to people who believed they knew what they were doing, in a world where very few even considered what they were doing very deeply.  How lonely and how lost Jeff must feel without the assembly compass to point the way to George, to sure markers of 'spirituality' that were easily measured: going to the meetings?  training someone?  family 'in order' (heads down and smiling, nodding, etc.), brains turned off?  unquestioning loyalty?  Yes, the assembly expects it all.  And the spiritually hollow person is craving that validation (backhanded as it is) from the self proclaimed and powerful leaders.

I feel sad for Jeff, and yes, I feel worse for his children.  But as I read Jeff's letter I thought, and still think about Jeff's situation in these terms (the same terms I think about those in Omaha and Ottawa and Estevan who seek to rebuild G's dynasty):
this is your brain on drugs.

drj

Another comment on the Jeff L. situation:

We've been where Jeff was this past year - big frogs from a little pond suddenly finding themselves tadpoles in the big river of the real church.  It was shocking and uncomfortable, to say the least.  Part of our addiction was to the false sense of self-importance the assembly gave us.  Sick sick sick.  The bone deep longing to be respected, to be looked up to is a fever that's hard to burn out of oneself.  One can be on a dry drunk for a long time while it's getting extinguished by continual repentance from it.  (For the non-alcoholics, a dry drunk is when your're sober but you wish you were drinking.)  

Your analogy is right on the money Margaret.

I can also sympathize, and I know what it is like to long for respect and recognition.

However, due to reading, and talking with people, making myself open and vulnerable, i was able to see this sickness and repent of it continually, as you say.

Jeff has far more of a willing, ready support structure than I had, and certainly more than you and Steve had a decade ago.  However, he hasn't made use of it.  On the contrary, he has used deception and avoidance, because he knew all along that he would be doing what he is doing right now.

I found out last June that Jeff had been "discipling," a young man all through the the fall of '02, right up to and past the excommunication of George, Jeff stepping down and the Assembly going out of business.  Throughout this time, Jeff had been "preaching" on the campus, and this young man had no news about the tumultuous events that were going on in Jeff's life.

One would suppose that in a genuine relationship, the learner would at least know about big things like that, eh?

When I found out about this, I called Jeff, and spoke to his young recruit.  Jeff denied having a "discipleship" relationship, but grudgingly admitted to meeting with the young man after unsuccessful evasive tactics.  

His young recruit told me,  "Wow,  I had no idea.  I'll tell Jeff I don't want to be under his authority anymore."  Interesting choice of words, don't you think?  Sadly, this poor simple lad is still meeting with Jeff from time to time.

During my confrontation with Jeff at this point, Jeff assured me that he "wasn't going to start anything."   He also assured me that he "never wanted to lead again."  He went on to get very angry with me and yelled,  "I'm tired of being controlled by you!"  I understand how it feels to be controlled, believe me!  However, I wasn't controlling him at all, I was confronting him with his own deception.

Well, I blew it.  I always knew that Jeff has never truly repented.  As much as I wanted to believe that he would take time to "process," and recover, I know now that he won't.  I am also highly suspicious of any former leader or worker who is the least bit unclear about where they stand.  Their lack of biblical repentance is strong evidence that they are still stubbornly in sin, and not in some slow process of waking up.

Much will be seen in the coming weeks.

People are saying that George is innocent.  Are the ex/current leaders in Fullerton going to let the women hang and twist in the wind, or do they have the courage to finally do something for the truth?

Brent

The edited truth stands, doesn't it?  It has to or people can not live with themselves.  Here in Estevan, hundreds of miles away, x leaders who still want to be leaders in many respects disown George, some won't even enter into a conversation about George, and yet, are still bound and seek to bind others by the same assembly code of silence that ruled in George's era.  Until we face the truths that we know, and drop the assembly nails in the coffin that scream "gossip" whenever the truth is uttered, we can not hope to have our consciences healed.  
That Jeff reacted like a trapped animal and screamed accusations of being controlled when confronted about the lies he sought to cover is just another indicator that he loves the lies.  I really must confess, I feel sorry for a few individuals I know in similar situations.  I see them killing themselves on the principles they are yet advocating, though George taught these things, though they will not hear George's name.  Truly George did replace the mind and spirit of God in those he mastered.  George has no idea how truly successful he was.

Aside:
My Dad had a donkey once who banged his own head against a steel fence until he killed himself one winter.  Yup, mom watched from the picture window and told us all about it later.  I'm still sick when the image comes to mind.  Poor Jeff.

delila

     This documented fact is, by itself, an undeniable self-disqualification from any form of leadership until such a time when true Christian leaders determine that a stable life of obedience to Christ has been firmly established over a significant period of time.  A man may certainly lead his own family in prayer and study, but anyone else steps into that scenario at great peril.



     ...but doesn't it bother you when the voice you're listening to holds just a little too long on the ESSssss  ssoundssss?

Margaret,  at least you saw the need for 'continual repentance'.  I do not believe that Jeff has, and therefore he is being controlled by his lust for power rather than the truth of the matter.  The assembly so drilled in the 'preserve the testimony' and 'New Testament simplicity' aspect, such that leaders(ex, present, and wannabees) feel justified to LIE as long as it preserves the testimony.  They are so apt at lying that they do not recognize the truth when it comes to them.

The New Testament simplicity thing really gets to me.  Assembly sympathizers have decided that the way they meet is what 'makes' it for them.  When I left almost everyone (who remained "in") I talked to pointed out that what was special about the assembly was they way they met and that they had a contibution there.  It wasn't 'because the Lord is here'.  Isn't that interesting?  They are addicted to 'making a contribution'.  They have erroneously decided to call their way of meeting the New Testament simplicity pattern, though the overwhelming evidence proves otherwise.  So they idolize their pattern and do not even entertain the possibility that God wants them elsewhere.  Though God is able to recover, restore and heal, each and every one of them are disqualified from being leaders.

Lord bless,
Marcia


P.S. re. control - there are many couples re-evaluating the unhealthy marriage counselling received while under GG's rule.  Those who are 'in' are still maintaining the same ole vision.  But the rest...  I know of one husband ex-leader (not in Ottawa) who pretty well terrorized his wife as he lamented 'I cannot control you anymore'.  Interesting, don't you think?  It's about control, not about loving relationships.
MM

Jeff and any who are supporting you to restart the Assembly.

Jer 5:
25 Your wickedness has deprived you of these wonderful blessings. Your sin has robbed you of all these good things.
26 "Among my people are wicked men who lie in wait for victims like a hunter hiding in a blind. They are continually setting traps for other people.
27 Like a cage filled with birds, their homes are filled with evil plots. And the result? Now they are great and rich.
28 They are well fed and well groomed, and there is no limit to their wicked deeds. They refuse justice to orphans and deny the rights of the poor.
29 Should I not punish them for this?" asks the LORD. "Should I not avenge myself against a nation such as this?
30 "A horrible and shocking thing has happened in this land –
31 the prophets give false prophecies, and the priests rule with an iron hand. And worse yet, my people like it that way! But what will you do when the end comes?

In verse 31 we see the Inditement against the Assembly.

1. False prophecy, end times fear mongering and an obsession about rules and outward appearance.

2. Priests rule with an iron hand. Very controlling and legalistic in the use of scripture.

3. And the people like it that way. The Assembly mentality is so rigid they think they have it better because everything is black and white and compartmentalized.

4. And they aren’t ready to accept the end of the precious Assembly because it is the structure they made that appeals to them more than the Lord’s leading individually in a healthy Church. Like the bird man from Alcatraz prison in San Francisco. He was in jail so long he dreaded going out into the real world. The people “in” can’t stand making decisions so they have others make them for them. The leaders like to make the rules because it gives them false prestige.

Take the tour see how isolated it is.

http://www.sftravel.com/alcatraz_island.htm

Hugh  :o

1) about those who remain 'in' - your statment is curiously telling.  What is their righteousness?  - the way we do things?  The way George taught us to do things?  Indeed, our works at all - that sets us apart?  The way we beat and manipulate one another into 'serving the lord' according to George's pattern?  Them's reasons to keep on beatin' a dead dog... yikes
2) about the marriages - of course I've got no idea of whom you speak, could be several x-assembly men cryin' that blue song about the dog that suddenly has a mind of her own (referring to wife).  Again, it's a very real pain for them (the men who are now questioned, who now have wives who think for themselves according to the brain God gave them) and I do feel sorry for them, these men, because they wound themselves.  They too measure their own success according to George's ruler: keep your house in order and then you are a man of God.  And Betty's example: cover up whatever you can not disguise or keep locked in the closet.  Again, without open examination of the evil that was taught, we continue to maim ourselves with rusy knives in the name of God.  But, as Nancy always used to say: we choose our own poison.

delila

Actually, Heide's voice was heard that morning and she DID disrupt the worship (you go, girl!).  After Roberto reasserted his slander against her she defended herself OUT LOUD.  Imagine, a woman spoke out loud in the meeting, and she not only refused to wear a head covering, but she wore large earrings and pants!  Oh, the shame of it all!

The last anyone heard of her voice was her sobs as she walked out of the room in tears.

Yes, it was a horror.

Jack

Thanks for the clarification Jack.

My point was that it was Roberto, not Heide who "started" the whole thing.  What was she supposed to do when faced with lies and denials right before "worship?"  She was right to say something.

Here is another interesting point.

Jeff claims that the web is gossip.   On the web are copies of a SLO county court document called a restraining order.

Jeff was present for a portion of those proceedings, and he knew full well that David punched his daughter, and that he had the unfortunate habit of beating his wife.

For years, Jeff denied or danced around the fact that any of this ever took place.  Now, he is calling "gossip," what he knows is truth.

Woe to them who call evil good,  and good evil.

God spoke to him eh?   I am 99% sure that no voice was heard by Jeff, but if there was a "prompting,"  its source was not the Holy Spirit.

Brent

I wish to correct myself.  Heide just refreshed my memory by reminding me that she did not cry.  She was, however, so shaken up that her knees were weak.

Your point is well taken, Brent.  It was Roberto that was responsible for the horror.

Jack

I can not begin to describe the anger I feel over Jeff's decision to restart what God has shut down, which is why it has taken me so long to respond.  I know first-hand that he is a liar.  I feel bad for the kids, now that they will be forced back into the Assembly regime.  When will they get the chance to heal?  By joining a local, healthy church, they had the opportunity to process all the Assembly garbage.

Can this man be stopped?

My name back in the middle of controversy again!  I have my two cents too!!!

First of all, in Jeff's letter he says his family was horrified. Well, that is lie number 1. His family was not present that morning. Nancy wasn't there. The kids weren't there. So who is this family that he is talking about?

Secondly, I didn't go to that meeting to hear Roberto apologize. Roberto never made any effort to contact me and that morning I would not shake his hand because I felt he owed me something. His mealy mouth wife tried to justify what her husband had done and she was dealt with by me. First time I ever told a "sister" to shut up and stop justifying her husband. Roberto has never repented of anything as far as I know. He has called my home MANY times yelling into my answering machine that I have to forgive him, real humble..... I have to meet him, I have to listen to him and I have to forgive him. I have a rule, you yell at me and chances are I'm not going to listen.

That morning Jack was with me. Jack was ready to pounce on Roberto but I knew if we gave him enough rope Roberto would hang himself with it. Sure enough, he did.

As far as Jeff goes, we were ok last year until he brought my name up again in his infamous letter. Now "we" have a problem.  

Pray Jeff that we never run into each other at the grocery store or any place else. I will hound you like the dog you are. My mother taught me a saying " Sticks and stones may break my bones"   but your snide little remarks Jeff tell me what a worm and coward you are. You are the bully in the school yard.

Heide C. Johnson

Hi Everyone !  :)

  I think we all have received a great education by reading Jeff's letter and following the comments that attempt to understand the psychology of the writer.
  Thank you Brian for your 'verse-by-verse' exposition of the letter as it was very good.
   If what Jeff wrote provides at least one good lesson (and there seem to be plenty) it is that it is important to understand and break free of Assembly thinking.  Those that continue to meet, sans GG, and/or head out to other churches, without understanding that the teaching and practices in the Assembly were seriously in error can easily fall into what Jeff is doing.
   There are those who might say, "the Assembly wasn't that bad, and I remember some good times, and what good is it to spend time on the BB and talk about these things."  The constant reprimand from these folks is,"get on with your life."  
   What do they mean by this?  Ignore the past in my life and those that shared that time with me in the Assembly?  How about:  "Don't be negative and instead learn to look on the sunny side of life?"  Maybe Jeff tried this and without facing the deeper questions we ask here was drawn back to the huge hole the demise of the Assembly left in his life.
   Yes, there was a hole in my life when I first left and I felt empty and insignificant; my life seemed to have no purpose.  I had great fear and anxiety that I had actually left God and His purpose, and had lost everything.  When I visited a church I would look down my nose at those gathered there, because they seemed so "unspiritual."  It was a strange mix to have a feeling of failure mixed with a feeling of pride at the same time!
   That was a dangerous time for me as I could have just decided to "meet at home" and not face my contradictory state of being.  
   As I started to try to understand if my fears and anxieties were correct, and that if GG's teaching was correct, I discovered that the strange mix I described above was really related.  When I understood the grace of God, and that my life with Him is gift based I could see and face how arrogant I was in my attitude toward others.
   Performance messages like GG's are more than just bad teaching they wrap themselves around one's whole psyche and twist the soul into a warped image of what God desires in us.  The combination of teaching and Assembly culture created a very formative environment that literally warped our humanity! :'(
 The front and center example for us in the Bible of this is the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' time.  Jesus biggest battle was against this Pharisaical mind set that separated sinners from the love of God.  They were so twisted they used the name of God and scripture to reject the Messiah himself!  They were sure of their righteousness and when Jesus tried to get them to honestly look at themselves they got angry and called Him names, and eventually sought his death.  All this BB is is an attempt to honestly look at ourselves and our experiences in the Assembly and discover the truth of the Grace of God in the process.
  Dave mentioned that the church faces much bigger problems than the possibility of the Assembly rebuilding, such as Modernism, etc. but it is this subtle enemy of Phariseeism that can find a special niche in the Evangelical church that has always been a danger to the Gospel.
   There are three Valley leading Bros. who have had quite an influence on a church there.  The Pastor had a taped message available on the web that sounded like something straight from an Assembly meeting!   This Pastor has been defending these bros. and refuses to educate himself as to the origins of his new members, though some of us have taken great pains to reach him.  He accepts the testimony of these Bros. that the Assembly was just a regular church that split due to a fallen leader.
   "Don't harbor bitterness toward these Bros. and let them live their lives", some may say, but how can we justify silence when we are told to actively resist this kind of evil?!  Why not the other evils facing the church?  Because we are especially fit for this job and it is clearly an area that we understand.  Paul withstood Peter to his face and would not give in to his critics from Jerusalem because without the teaching and practices of grace we can become like Jeff:  A twisted soul in bondage to a false holiness message and the arrogant false spirituality that is it's result!! :'(
  Grace needs to have truth to be effective in our hearts and this is not just Biblical truth, but honesty regarding what we were for those many years we were in the Assembly.  Without this we will only fall victim to the former patterns of thinking and behaving.  There is one word for this in the Bible "repent" and without it former Assembly members are in a very dangerous place indeed!
                                            God Bless,  Mark C.

Just a few observations re Jeff Lehmkuhl’s letter:

>“I failed to stand firm for God’s interests in the gathering here in SLO”

Ok, so you admit you failed. That’s nice. So… we just need to ask the question - do I want to follow a man of failures?

>”that He had raised up and which He certainly had no intention of destroying.  He did not destroy this gathering.  Men did”

So, God raised up the Assembly, well maybe. But I think it was more like GG. You see, the first distinction we need to make is that GG is not God. Most of us by now figured that is the case, but we were all blind to see it for the many years we spent in the Assembly.

>”I realize now, that as a leader, I did not do all that I could do to stop this from happening.  Our God is a God of restoration and gathering”

Well, this is one way of putting it. I believe what you should have put is you did do all what you could, but this was all you could do. Your plan did not work, because God wanted to make sure brainwashing schools are closed for the season. Look no further Jeff, if our God is a God of restoration, He already restored things in SLO this past year and made you a humble servant in one of His healthy churches. Just be thankful for that and do not selfishly desire more. That job was well done. As for the rest of us we should be patient and just wait for God to restore our souls' scars.

>”Any and all of these things were sinful and wrong.  This was done in a variety of ways some of which included: stepping out of leadership, allowing the Tr0ckmans and my brother-in-law access into and influence in the gathering that they never should have had.  This led some of you to believe that it was okay to listen to what they had to say and to put confidence in them when they ultimately demonstrated that they were only committed to destroying, dividing and abolishing the gathering.  Allowing Heidi Johnson to come and disrupt the worship of our Lord, a meeting that was just a horror to most of us, my family included.  This never should have happened.”

Never should have happened… Is this the latest open door policy? Or once again we confirm we are dealing with a CULT…

>”I read the articles on the web and let them affect me when the Lord’s word tell me that I have no business listening to gossip.”

So if the Lord told you not to listen to gossips, then why did you do it? Plus, why would you let everybody know that you listened to gossips, even if the Lord told you not to? Are you suggesting that you ignore God’s voice or you are saying that you hear it but disobey it? Not one is better than the other, my friend.

>”I should never have looked at any or it.  I believe that these things and more are totally contrary to scripture.  They should never have been allowed. For this I ask your forgiveness.”

Good leaders are ones that very rarely have to ask for forgiveness. They also do not really need to repent anything. They simply think first and act second. If after all it matters so much to you that people are forgiving you, okey. I just do not understand who your target is. Newcomers have no clue of you past deeds, thus they cannot forgive you. Old sisters and brothers do not give a .... for it. It is your mess, you need to clean it up.

>”Further, I ask your forgiveness for even bringing up these details just mentioned.”

Ok, this we forgive you for. It just helps us understand why we should not follow you.

>”I am sure that most, if not all of you, do not want to be reminded of such events.”

Let it be our discretion. For me, I do not mind getting your side of the story. Let us get it all! Are not we Christians marked as people who love to judge people anyways? Thanks for a good reason.

>”For me it is necessary because I don’t want to miss the lessons that the Lord has for me.”

My advice is to keep LISTENING and one day you may get it.

>”I conferred with no one and sought no one’s approval on this letter except my Lord though I knew that many if not most would not agree with me.  That can no longer determine me.  His Word and His Spirit must.  This is not to suggest that I don’t believe in the scriptural thought of “in the multitude of counselors, there is wisdom”.

So, the guy wants some credit. I think we should give it to him. Does it matter anyways? So he did it on his own, what’s wrong with that? Oh, we do not think he is capable of such thing… If we generalize the statement: ‘in the multitude of counselors, there is wisdom’ I have to agree, there could be wisdom, but who are you kiddin’ friend? Even if we wanted to nickname these bogus baloneys’ counselors there is no guarantee that they can come up with what is classified as a wisdom. Wisdom does not get created in a matter of minutes. It grows into wisdom throughout long years and decades of listening and observing.

>”I am so compelled to, by love, continue in His Word;”

We are all happy for you. Please, do. But remember, His Word, His Word, His Word.

>”not by guilt but by love because it is His character and His way of doing things.  To continue in His Word means just simply that; to continue in those things that He has shown me and those things that He is showing me.”

Now wait a minute. You must have missed lesson #1 from school. His Word never said to you to be part of a conspiracy to cover up sexual misconduct. That was not God, that is GG’s leadership. We encourage you to continue His Word, we are just not convinced that you hear His Word. Until then, keep listening.

>Finally, I do not mean to stir up any trouble for you.  That is the last thing I want to do.”

You do not? We are disappointed, Jeff. I would love to believe that that is the last thing you want to do. It would be nice, but I was not born yesterday. As for me, the last thing I want to do it to go to Heaven, I would think that you should try to aim for that goal yourself too.

>”Nor do I want to put any guilty upon you.”

Well, you made this mess, you should feel guilty, but thanks for worrying about us. Nice to see that you care.

>“You do no owe me anything.”

We know that.

>”You don’t even need to respond to this letter.”

Gee, thanks, but we feel compelled sometimes, too. Plus, we want to respond. We really do.

>”I am not writing it to evoke a response.  I prefer that my thoughts to you stay with you alone.”

Well, well, well. Jeff, when you open a can of worms and sign your name on a provocative letter like this, you cannot really expect from us not to offer guidance in your personal development. We may not be part of the multitude of counselors, but we are willing to offer help to you for free. No service required in exchange. We do not ask for your support, your assistance, your money or time. It is now up to you to use it to grow or not to use it and fall. If I were you, I would probably listen very carefully.

>”I must admit, I don’t enjoy being the subject of more gossip but if I must, I am willing to pay that price.  It matters no to me anymore.  If it does, then I really have learned nothing through all of this.”

Most of us endured a lot more while in Fellowship, it is nice to hear that a leader-to-be is willing to pay some of the price. The second part of the quote though does not make any sense to me. First, Jeff clearly states that it does not matter to him anymore, then he contradicts himself again and says if it does… well, you just said it does not. Why to leave the door open for doubts? You need to learn more about covering your behind. Just a friendly advice.

And this is for Brian:

>”there are far more dedicated folks than me who feel the same way, so kudos to them for fighting the good fight.”

Thanks for the kudos, and sign me up, too. Anybody wants to get my kudos?

Finally:

>Jeff's idea of disciplining is to brainwash a person into sacrificing themselves to further the cause of a cult, who's ultimate end is to meet the personal needs of the leaders.:”

This is a very well put statement of what has been happening. Someone please tell me what are we going to do about it?

areyougettingit

This may sound a little dorky, but how about us staging a good old-fashioned protest in front of the Lehmkuhl's house?  At least his neighbors will know just what kind of man he is, and may be discouraged from joining his family for worship (or any other Assembly meeting).  Plus, the local newspaper might investigate what's going on (someone might give them a call), and it might make the front headlines.  Just a suggestion....

Eulaha,

   There is nothing dorky about your idea. Actually, I am very pleased to read about it. Thanks for sharing it with us. You never know, once we start pulling together, we may accomplish the agenda sooner than we thought we could. I hope that it becomes one of the first steps we take as a group to get closure over decades of horror. It would be a very inexpensive way of putting the word out to the wide open. I suggest the protest just after the meeting started. (So that we know who else we need to make aware of things besides the neighbors and family members.)

   I think that approaching the local newspaper would be possible even without the protest. I am sure Brent would be willing to supply them with some facts that gives goosebumps to the readers. Smaller news made bigger headlines in the past.

   I recently watched Primetime Thursday and they had a report on the dark, secret polygamy society of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints. If you want to read what has caused such big news visit the Salt Lake Tribune at http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jan/01242004/utah/utah.asp

   This is a quote from there: "In a rare act of public defiance, a resident of this insulated community on Friday said he would ignore an order by polygamist leader Warren Jeffs that he vacate his house and leave his wife and children behind.
    Ross Chatwin also urged fellow residents and members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to stand up to Jeffs, whom he described as a "Hitlerlike dictator."" Sounds familiar? I urge you to stand up to GG. Btw, do we know if GG is currently in the country?

areyougettingit  

Go for it you guys.  However,  I have too much dignity to picket.  I won't be joining that one at all.

Brent

I suggest that you go ahead and do something about it and we will pray for you and support you in whatever way we possibly can.

Marcia

I have read it on this BB: you can take the man out of the assembly, but you cannot take the assembly out of the man.  I will add "only God can do that".  But some ex-and-present-asemblyites have not truly realized the evil of the Geftakys system.  They have resorted to feeble comments like, "Some things were wrong" hoping that both sides, assembly-sympathizers and non, will be pacified.  And they continue in their subjective manner of seeking and "hearing" God's voice.  As a result they hear the Lord's ??? voice in verses like the smouldering wick..., recovering the years..., and removing the poison from the stew...  BUT they skip over passages like:
LUK 12:42 And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
LUK 16:10 "He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.
LUK 16:11 "If therefore you have not been faithful in the use of unrighteous mammon, who will entrust the true riches to you?

The truth of the matter is that none of those assembly-sympathizers are qualified, by the Biblical basis of qualification, to be leaders.  Why would God entrust them with such a responsibility when they have proven to be unfaithful by serving and promoting the Geftakys agenda?

Marcia

I think that while Jeff is the first to openly take this step, there are probably other former leading brothers who are on the brink.  I suggest that those of us who have some kind of contact with any of them give them pray about giving them the article on evil - in person, email, print and mail, whatever.  Then pray some more.  Some of them will feel like it's an attack, but others might be helped.  
 
Remember Dave Sable's article, "Who's Your Daddy."  In Peck's book he makes the statement that one of the most difficult things to do is to come to terms with evil in one's parents.  Some of the former leading brothers will have a terrible time with it.  They need our support, especially our prayer, and the expression of our care.

While I sincerely thank you for your idea, and desire to help, I don't think picketing is the way to go. I don't agree with many churches ie. JWs, LDS, the Local Church, etc. but I wouldn't picket in front of their buildings.  It is their constitutional right to assemble.  I think it's horrible what Jeff is doing, but he can certainly meet with his family in his own home.  I will personally warn people to stay clear if I get word.

Suzie

     I think a close reading will reveal that Margaret & Verne are on the same page here.  It is the same page where Brent has exhorted us to pray for the Geftakys family.
     There are some leaders & former leaders who will make the right choices with our prayerful support, eventually going on to lead spiritually productive lives, should the Lord delay His return.      
     Others, the perpetrators of such heinous crimes against God and man as to preclude a simple turnabout, cannot be supported in the same way as the former.  It may not be unseemly to pray for these to experience whatever wrath may be necessary to bring them to repentance.
     Such prayer is not to be entered into lightly:  If we will trust God to "give us wisdom to pray aright," as Verne suggests, we each must begin our efforts with our own prayers to God to grant us such wisdom, taking nothing for granted...

al Hartman

Dan:

It is around 50 miles to where GEORGE lives, but about 200 miles to SLO for me.  

Anybody thought of just blitzing Jeff's neighborhoods with flyers stating the facts of the old Assembly and Jeff's desire to revive it?

Matt Sciaini

Folks,

First, I would steer clear of attempts to publically humiliate Jeff L. by blitzing his neighborhood with flyers, picketing in front of his house, etc.

Second, what are you all trying to do here? I gotta say I think there is some real mean-spirited stuff going on in this thread--folks talking about how Jeff's wife should leave him, belittling him because he is an auto shop teacher, and so on. I can just imagine how God feels with you all poking fun at someone He loves. Imagine how you would feel if someone was acting this way toward one of your children.

I enjoy reading this board periodically, but I gotta tell you--some of this stuff is downright hateful and unbecoming of Christians. Why don't we just give the world more fodder for believing we are just hateful people?

Bob.

P.S. I could have replaced the word "you" with "us" on this post--you know to make it sound more diplomatic--but I'm leaving it for effect.

Now now Robert, pretty judgemental of you calling us mean-spirited, don't you think?  I am just kidding.  You are entitled to your opinion after all.
What really matters is how does the Lord view all of this?

David G was abusive as a husband and father.  Jeff L covered for David knowing of David's abuse.  Jeff L possibly did it sincerely believing that he was doing God's will by 'standing with his brethren'.  OR Jeff L was afraid of what it would mean for him if he took a stand against David and therefore, compromised his conscience.  In either scenario Jeff L was wrong and I do not know if he has admitted that he was wrong.  However, the fact that he was unfaithful as a leader over God's people now disqualifes him from leadership.  Hence, I feel sorry for his wife and children who have to subject themselves to his authority.  If only someone had spoken up for Judy G and the kids years ago...

Marcia

Bob,

     I tend to agree that a neighborhood pamphlet blitz would accomplish little or nothing positive & could give the very negative impression of being a cowardly attack.

     What can be done:  Someone in the area could drive by the Lemkuhls' place on Sunday mornings, take down the license plate #s of cars parked there, look them up through the DMV & personally contact the people...


     I must have missed the post(s) that said Jeff's wife should leave him...???  As to his being an auto shop teacher, I didn't read that anyone was mocking his vocation, but that he may be using his position to proselytize his students into the Geftakys machine.  If such is the case, it is a thing to be criticized.

     Personally, I'm glad you feel free to state your views on this forum.  We all need the input of others to know how we're coming across.  Thanks for posting...

al Hartman

Robert

So now where do you stand? Do you support Jeff's desire to re-start the Assembly?

No one here hates Jeff, or wants anything bad to happen to him. The only problem is what damage it will do to the unsuspecting NEW victims he will contact and his family who are also trapped once again.

He has demonstrated doublemindedness by having sought the Lord once and received the clear leading and now to change and say the Lord's leading is now different.

James 1:
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
6 But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
7 For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
8 being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

I for one make no apologies for wanting to stop this travesty, however we must do so speaking the truth in love. His social standing or his occupation or political views or hair colour etc are irrelevant. What matters is the impact of his actions on others in society and on that basis we can speak out against a proven threat to society at large to the spiritual wellbeing of others. Hopefully you don't need a whole litany of abusive things listed here by various individuals associated with GGs ministry.

Faithful are the wounds OF A FRIEND.

Lord bless you

Hugh

Folks,

Hugh wants to know where I stand with regard to Jeff L. wanting to start a new assembly. I feel exactly the same way most of you feel about it. I oppose it. I think he and his family should find an existing church in their community that is faithful to God's Word, plug in, and get on with their own walks with the Lord.

As for David, he did some bad stuff! My heart goes out to Judy and Rachel for the abuse they endured. He should be held accountable like any of us should be.

Speaking the truth in love is exactly right. That's all I'm saying. I know it's hard to do, especially for those hurt so badly by the whole assembly thing, but that is what is required here. Unfortunately, I think many are doing the former and ignoring the latter. I've been guilty of it myself...many times. But it needs to be said.

Verne, I don't think the words mean-spirited and hateful were carelessly tossed at all. Granted, those kinds of words are thrown around a LOT in the political arena. And, I hate when they do that. I'm so tired of it. But not in this case. Some of the comments here ARE mean-spirited and WOULD appear hateful to outsiders.

Let me share with you something I've been learning. (Yes, all those years of knowing this particular concept, but never really understanding it.) If I have all knowledge...(you know the scripture)...but have not love, I am but a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. One thing I know about gongs and clanging cybals: They have no real discernable pitch. You don't say, ahhh...there's a C# or an Ab. They make a LOT of noise, but they are not really heard, if you know what I mean. Here's God's lesson for me: If I'm not speaking in a spirit of love, I should keep my mouth shut. They'll never hear what I have to say.

Finally, I don't have any problems with relating funny things we all did in the assembly, hurts, news, bad things going on, all that stuff. Even the stuff in this thread. It's all good. I just think the Lord would want us to do things His way--and that includes the love part of speaking the truth.

Bob.

Bob

Thank you for your reply. I agree love is a necessary ingredient always. When you are the one who is most affected it is especially hard to demonstrate love when speaking the truth. Jeff to my knowledge is probably a victim of the system just like me. My heart goes out to all the current and past members, leaders as well because they suffered as well. With a system like this you have a difficult task because no one wants to tell people they were deceived or warn others about it but it is necessary. Pray for us and add your two cents worth too. I know that some think the Assembly issue is harmless and I say to them absolutely not. You believe some are mean spirited at times. I could see your point perhaps. I am glad you stated your position though because now I understand better where you are coming from.

Concluding Bob, let me know how I am doing in the area of speaking the truth in love. It is important to me to always demonstrate Christlike attitudes no matter what the situation.

Lord bless you

Hugh :)

Bob,

The reason these folks want to stop Jeff Lemkuhl is because they know that his ideas are harmful.  Perhaps you do not know just how harmful they can be.  

I do.  My life was on hold for at least 10 years as a result of having bought into these ideas, and my resultant subjection to people who thought like this.  

It was pure, unmitigated,  hell.  I will never recover financially, and it took years to recover emotionally.  I suffered from depression, hypoglycemia, and much more.  My self concept was in ruins.

It hurt me, and it hurt my kids.

We are talking about an abusive cult here.  Jeff Lemkuhl, if he returns to the beliefs and practices that made the assembly what it was...is a potential threat to the spiritual and even the physical well being of people.  Young, gullible christian people in particular!

Do you  have any "love" for them?  Do you care what this guy might do to some kid in his class?  

It seems to me that protecting people from harm could be construed as "love".

Thomas Maddux

Jeff should not be allowed to subject his kids to the Assembly way of life.  For this he should be held accountable-think about the kids.  They had an opportunity to be spiritually fed in a healthy environment;now, Mr. Head-of-the-Household decides HE is going to ruin all of that because he feels the need to lead others away from the truth.

He may have the right to meet in this fashion, but the kids don't have much of a choice, and that's plain wrong.

I know many Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, and from what they have told me about their belief system, it is nowheres near as cultish as George's Assemblies!

Hi everybody,

   I am so pleased to see that we are no longer going to be passive weenies. Suzie is right, it is Jeff’s constitutional right to meet with people in his home. Nobody was suggesting to make a scene or go inside and invade their privacy. We just pointed out that we also have constitutional right to assemble - out on the street or wherever public places - and hold banners as long as we do not disturb the peace and do not trespass. We are not talking about being violent. We are just talking about wanting to take a look at the new prototype. Just to see who they are targeting this time. It would be a very cheap first step we can take and a whole group of us could participate in it till we move forward with the legal plan to bring BB and his loyalists down for good. Are we all thinking of the Hathway address right by the CA Polytech Univ for Jeff? What if we made some flyers about “BE AWARE and RESIST the Assembly’s temptation” or something like that. Some of us that are familiar with software creating posters let’s compete for the best flyer(s). Oh, some of you think that Jeff is no longer at this address? You believe he lives on Iris now? It’s possible. Must be a fairly recent new address for him. Makes me wonder, these people change their home addresses more frequently than I …

Marcia, Margaret, Dan Fredrickson,

>I suggest that you go ahead and do something about it and we will pray for you and support you in whatever way we possibly can.

So what is your contribution to the agenda? Is there anything else you would be willing to do to get closure to the abuse? We need people that are willing to do more than just pray. Praying is certainly appreciated but we have absolutely no control over the results of mass praying. I think we need to take out that portion of the equation and concentrate on what we can actually, physically do to stop and hold these people accountable for their sins.  At least try to contribute new ideas or do some research on other cases against cult leaders. Like many of us agree I don't see the empire coming down, because people aren't willing to pay the price to fight them.  The response people wrote regards to my ideas revealed that some are willing to support whoever is willing to do something, but they would not initiate anything and only a few would be willing to participate in executing the ideas. If we want to accomplish more than just sending a message to the Jeff–like people about them being harmful and watch out newcomers, we need to come together as one and help support each other in accomplishing the agenda.

On the other hand, Marcia I agree with you that Jeff Lehmkuhl and the type of person he is should be disqualified from leadership. Anybody that helped cover up the abuse should feel ashamed.

> Even a passive weenie can do it, no big deal.  I'd do it, but I live too far away.  I'm sure Kirk C would do it if he lives down there and still has the fire in him that I recall 20 years ago.

Dan,

Are you a passive weenie? Not to be rude or anything, but... Aha, you would do it, hm? Then why did you say right after that that you live too far away? Excuses, excuses… Then you go ahead and offer somebody else instead? Did you talk to Kirk C about it or you just volunteered him? Guys, if you don’t/cannot support some of our ideas at least do not discourage the ones that are willing to fight this battle.

Bob,

This is an extract from Rick Ross’s web news. I personally think that there is nothing wrong with getting justice. “George Geftakys has led an obscure group in Fullerton, since 1971. In 1992 this relatively small group, which has been called a "cult," received attention within the book "Churches That Abuse," by Ronald Enroth.” How many of you read this book so far? “However, over the last three decades assembly members have been excommunicated, many walked away, while some were professionally "deprogrammed," when concerned parents intervened. Enroth quoted one member that concluded, "You don't have a relationship with George unless George dominates." And according to a "written code" the assembly's work "is not conducted on the basis of democracy." Did you think this was the case?” George Geftakys effectively became a dictator. And the assembly in many ways became the Geftakys family business.” How much of our money actually ended up in GG’s pocket? What was the estimate? Over $2 million? “Then came the troubles. First, George's son David Geftakys, who had been given a comfortable salaried position in the group, was exposed as a wife beater and abusive father. Eventually, this behavior became a police concern and a matter of public record.” Everybody familiar with it? “Geftakys struggled with this situation amidst escalating controversy within the group. It became increasingly difficult for the assembly leader to simultaneously uphold the group's rigid rules, while his son broke them. But far more serious concerns regarding George Geftakys' own conduct are now an issue. Geftakys, who is married and in his seventies”/eighties?,” has been exposed for what appears to be adultery and seeming sexual misconduct.”
What do you think? Adultery and sexual misconduct? Do these things sound serious enough for you to condemn somebody?

>some real mean-spirited stuff going on

Well, sometimes God allows us to carry out a plan to help the innocent. We are not talking about hurting innocent people. We are talking about bringing justice to the ones that sinned.

Thomas Maddux,

>The reason these folks want to stop Jeff Lemkuhl is because they know that his ideas are harmful.  Perhaps you do not know just how harmful they can be.  

I do.  My life was on hold for at least 10 years as a result of having bought into these ideas, and my resultant subjection to people who thought like this.  

It was pure, unmitigated,  hell.  I will never recover financially, and it took years to recover emotionally.  I suffered from depression, hypoglycemia, and much more.  My self concept was in ruins.

Thank you for expressing it so well. That is what it is. There are some of us here that had to go through years or psychological abuse and we put our life on hold for decades at times. Would not you have been happier if you had your own dreams, goals and thoughts? The Assembly was not different than a brainwashing camp. It did not allow you to think for yourself and every fiber of yourself were controlled entirely. Do not you, people think that you would have had a completely different career, different vision, different lifestyle had you not been emotionally scarred? Maybe your relationship with God had a much purer and more honest touch to it?

Now I am part of a healthy church and I can tell the huge difference between GG’s Assembly and seems like any other churches. The other day I went ahead and listened to some of George’s tapes from the past. I cannot tell you how I felt so stupid for falling for such an imposter. Clearly irritating, his style, his meaningless speech just rumbling around and around. It makes me sick to the stummy to think how could all of us fall for something like this. Do you recall how he jumps from one quote of the Bible to another making it look like there is a connection there? Anyone can take a sentence out of context and play with it. George’s system was set up in a way, that even if we felt his preaching did not have much value we would have never said anything about it. I think most of us feel victimized.  How many of us did not go to school full time because we were instructed to get up at 4:30 and do the everyday plan until we were ready to crash in the bed well after 10? How many of us would have liked to have a healthy relationship with a (girl)friend but were not allowed to even talk to her? And how many of us would have liked to see a movie without mom and dad being there with us? I am not trying to discredit some activities that the kids enjoyed like kids camp, etc but at the end of the day seems like the damage was significantly more than the nurturing of souls.

My friends, point is that it is time to come together as one. This web site has been magnificent to bring us all together and fight the good fight.  I believe we have a really good group of people assembled here on the Board and my respect goes out to all of them especially to Brent, Tom, Mark, Brian, Al, etc. I want to publicly acknowledge and give a round of applause along with our special thanks to all that made a difference. I mostly appreciate Brent’s and Brian’s contribution that they created this forum where people could  come together, encourage each other and heal. Great job, guys! Without the two of you perhaps none of the allegations would have come out and we would not be where we are at today. I truly believe that the BB made a huge difference to what happened this past year. I by no means wanted to discredit the site by saying posting some thoughts on a tiny corner of the web is not going to be sufficient to bring closure to the pain that people suffered through the years. I apologize if people were affended bu that comment. My point is that we should not stop here.

areyougettingit

Folks,

Thank you for understanding my position.

Areyougettingit,

We do have a constitutional right to assemble, picket, etc., but so do prostitutes, Planned Parentood, closet bank robbers, and so forth. You are correct. I'm just saying let's be careful about exposing the Lord to public shame. The news media will be all over it, and it will appear to the world as infighting. We don't need that. Plus, Jeff and his group will feel they are just being persecuted for "sake of the Cross". You can't win.

I personally would prefer a more personal approach like contacting folks using their license plate numbers or something, or putting flyers on folks' windsheilds. Maybe there is a better idea, I don't know.

Although I was in the Assembly from about 1971 to 1984 (until I was about 22), I am not bitter. Perhaps it's because I had a father who just didn't bow to the pressure to conform. So, maybe I was protected by him in a sense, at least until I moved out at 18. Of course that precluded him from being a LB like my Uncle Jim McCumber. But, it turned out better for me, didn't it? For that I am thankful for the Lord's protection.

However, when I read Tom say that it hurt his kids, that stung me. As a father of 4 boys, I can see how angry one could get. I'm sure I would be the same way. But since I'm not, I just want to add a little something here that can help.

Finally, someone asked me if I loved Jeff L. I never met him, but I guess my answer is yes. Do I like what he is doing? No. Am I sympathetic to the Assembly? No. Do I need to have compassion on those folks? Yes. God have mercy on ME, because I need it.

Bob.

I had to post my two cents on this thread.

I agree with Robert in my concern about some of the proposed "methods" in dealing with Jeff Lehmkuhl.  I mean driving by his house on Sunday morning and taking down license plate numbers??  Step back and think about that one.  

I know I'll catch flak for this stance, but frankly, some of the proposals are a bit disturbing.  Despite the abuse the Assembly heaped on people on here, the fact will always be, we all had a choice.  This even includes all of us that were forced to go to the meetings by our parents (yes, that would include me).  

If Jeff Lehmkuhl chooses to start a "work," that is his responsibility to his family.

If there are those of you on this BB who know him, you should entreat him as a brother.  Not picket his house, not blitz the neighborhood with flyers, not stalk those who go to his house on Sunday mornings.  If he rejects you counsel, well then, you did all you could.

For the rest of us who do not know him, we should pray and trust God to work in His own way.  I would dare say that any one of you would be shocked, appalled, enraged, etc. if your family was subjected to the same intrusive treatment by absolute strangers.  As far as him using his position as a shop teacher to bring in new converts, my best guess is that behaviour is not normally smiled upon in a public school setting (should he be teaching in a public school, I don't have the facts on this one).

And finally, I know the Assembly was big on intrusiveness.  Now I see the exact same tactics advocated by people on this board.  I know it is being spun as warning people about the insipid evils of the Assembly, but seriously, reevaluate your idea processes.

Anyway, I am sure I'll get dissed big time for this very unpopular stance, but I needed to voice my opinion.
God bless
Noel

Dan,

I don't know if you read Brent's post under New Role,  but after 3 years of being on the frontlines, he has decided to take a back seat.  It's great to see others step up.

We have been providencially able to talk 3 possible recruits of Jeff out of meeting with him (in the last year), apart from  protests, picketing, etc. We will continue to do so, as the Lord leads these people to us. We have also contacted 3 pastors in the area who have met with Jeff.  He refuses their counsel.  So, as you can see, we haven't been "sitting in our estate typing on the internet".

But the most wonderful thing is that by us stepping back, it has allowed others to step-up.

Suzie

I don't know about other places, but I remember clearly as a kid, people protesting our "Gospel Campaigns" at the Mission Plaza.  

Those protests did not seem to affect the number of people who came.  I rarely saw anyone turn away because of them.  On the contrary, those who were there seemed to feel more determined to figure out what was going on by staying.  The "Saints" felt justified in being there because the protests were just a fulfillment of the "we are going to be persecuted" prophecies of the leadership.

I think that the website is a highly effective tool if it has up to date information on the status of the individual locales.  

I also think that Brent and Suzie's involvement in the local Christian Community in SLO has and will be instrumental.  The churches in SLO are very connected and involved with one another.  The leadership of those churches know about Jeff.  As a result anyone getting involved with Jeff is likely to run into other Christians who will in turn warn them away or at least refer them to Brent, a pastor, or the website.  That comes with more credibility then a bunch of people picketing.

I too believe that discreet warnings are in order.  But we must be careful not to cause collateral damage.  Talking to individuals, as well as pastors, school administrators, etc., is right on in my opinion.  Picketing is not dignified or honoring to the Lord, in my opinion.

Clarence Thompson

I agree with Rachel.  The assembly mentality is to label any resistance as "warfare".  The usual reaction to outside criticism is to circle the wagons and become even more resolute and determined to continue in their ways.  Protestors are confirmation to assembly people that they are doing the "will of God".  

And remember, we didn't listen to criticism either.  We felt like it was the Lord's way of testing our faithfulness to the "vision".

We need to pray - although some think that isn't enough - and continue to talk opening, shining the light and challenging as we can.  I personally am seeing results.

Folks,

I was just thinking: How many of US left the Assembly because of guerilla tactics like flyers, pickets, physical rescues, etc? Some probably have. I don't know. Or was it because of people that loved us speaking the truth to us with real concern and respect? For me, it was the latter.

I'd like to hear of some other tactics that got you out. Any guerilla tactics?

Bob.

P.S. A lot of folks get into these groups for a sense of love, self-respect, and belonging. Maybe we can win some out by the same approach. ?

For us, it was the Internet.

Brent began reading about the Local Church of Witness Lee.  At first it freaked me out how similiar the two were.  I made him stop sharing it with me as it caused me to doubt about my involvement with The Assembly of George Geftakys.

However, without a doubt, the single most effective thing for getting people free of the Assembly has been simply telling the truth about who and what they are....on the website.

Nothing has been nearly as effective.  Reason doesn't work with most of these people, protest and picketing only stregthens their persecution complex,  aside from the fact that it is just plain weird.

You can talk to a person with ears,  share books with a person who has eyesight, but to the deaf, dumb and blind, you must grab them and drag them out, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

A rod for the back of fools......

Suzie

Bob,

GG's excomm... was a wake up call for me, and caused me to re-evaluate my involvement with the existing Geftakys assembly, which I did via this BB.  Any attempt to reason with existing assembly sympathizers has failed, because they closed the door on communication re. assembly matters.  Only those who continued to discuss assembly matters have come to a similar conclusion that I did, but it did sometimes take some 'aggressive' maneuvers on my part.  IMO shock treatment seems to be the only remaining method that might be effective.  Suzie has described their condition very well.

Also, it is not a small matter to mingle with existing assembly sympathizers who are not open to discussing assembly matters.  They have had more than one year since GG's excomm.. to search out the truth of the matter for themselves and have not done so.  They are also very skilled in using the Scriptures to support their perspective.  One could very easily become an asemblysympathizer sympathizer :).  The Lord Jesus does warn us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and He had some pretty 'harsh' words for the likes of them (Matt 23).

The focus at this point, should be in preventing innocent recruits from being ensnared by them.  Picketing/flyers is neither cool nor effective IMO.  But the community needs to be informed so...  how shall we then proceed.  I have done and will do my part.  But I do not believe that the word of rebuke necessarily means that I do not love them, nor that I am bitter against them.

Lord bless,
Marcia

Folks,

Back in the 70's some guys picketed outside the Assistance League building where the Fullerton Assembly was meeting.

The "saints" were told to ignore them....and they did.

So, I don't think that picketing assemblyite meetings will have any effect on the inmates.

But...providing information to people attending campus Bible studies...things like that.   That might serve to warn off some people by denying the current assemblyites the cover of secrecy about their corrupt, deluded past.

God bless,

Thomas Maddux

I moved to the House of Prayer in Fullerton in 1982.  Jeff moved in with us a few months later.  I remember him as a young man who loved the Lord and was very serious about serving God.  He also had a great sense of humor.  It makes me sad to hear how much his involvement with the Assembly has messed him up.

I remember the great struggle I endured when deciding, after four years, to leave.  Many others have felt that same pull.  There are some very powerful, extremely seductive spirits at work there. (1 Tim 4:1)  Jesus said "This kind does not come out, except by payer and fasting."  We need to pray fervently for Jeff's deliverance! (James 5:16)  And everyone else who is enslaved.

This whole subject really stirs me up, and I could literally go on for hours, but I will end with this:
If Jeff is saying that OBJECTIVE TRUTH and ESTABLISHED FACTS are mere gossip he is clearly decieved.  And so is everyone else in the Assemblies who talks that way.  This is no longer a matter of opinion.

Verne,

     This is a good thing!!!  Whatever *&%$## is, you don't need it in you anyway!!!

 ;D  ;D  ;D  al   ;)

 

     No problemo!  

     I actually had no idea whether you spelled it correctly ???, but it is probably something beyond the range of my meager vocabulary, anyhow ::)...

      ;D al  ;)

Any updates on the Lehmkuhl worship meeting?

I've heard from two different people that he is not conducting meetings in his home.  One person told me that only one person responded favorably to the letter (pleasant surprise).  Enough people got on his case to pursuade him to give it up.

Jack

PRAISE THE LORD!!! ;D ;D ;D

A few years after leaving the assembly long ago in SLO, I was a bit angry over the experience.  One night, I recalled a moment of Jeff L speaking about The Rolling Stones and how he hated it and so forth.   So, I borrowed a cassette of that music and drove over to his house after hours and played it kind of loud a few times.  I'm grateful for radioshack's line of cheap amps for a starving student's budget.

After traveling to SLO on that fateful January day to meet with Brent and the LBs over matters of this Web Site, the David Geftakys controversy, the cover-ups, and other sundry sins...and seeing the LBs repent for their behaviors and sins - I was positively lauded by my brother-in-law, Jeff Lehmkuhl.

However, a year later he circulated a letter that I and Brent had been"committed to destroying, dividing and abolishing the gathering" in SLO.

This summer my extended family will be gathering to celebrate my father and mother-in-law's - Chuck and Mary Ann Miller's - 55th wedding anniversary in Omaha. 

Jeff is supposed to attend with Nancy and their children.  I've written Jeff more than once in an attempt to be reconciled, but have not heard anything from him.

Please pray for Jeff and his family.  I know God is not done with him - The final chapter is still yet to be written.  This is very difficult on Ann as well as on many of my family members - there are 55 of us now - the Mathews, the Cohens, the Sjogrens, as well as  lots and lots of Millers - including all the younger siblings - Tim, Bill, Ed, and their families. From end to end, there are five generations.

Much of the family is deeply disgusted by the of hypocritical spectacle that they have witnessed over the years - Today they simply wag their heads at the assembly - and tragedy of tragedies  - they're made sick with things spiritual, much to the credit of the dramas they've seen unfurled before them in the name of Christianity over their lifetimes via being in and around "things assemblyish."  Many young grandchildren hang in the balance - Their souls will be watching their parents and elders to see if grace can be found.

I can give you some more update on Jeff.

He and Nancy are somewhat invovled with a brand new little church/bible study.  The leader is an ex-college pastor from Calvary SLO.  He did not have the blessing of his former colleagues as of a few months ago, and was clearly urged not to do what he is doing.  He was also urged not to associate closely with Jeff, because of Jeff's state, and his position on certain things.

I am not involved with any of this, thankfully,  but I am quite close to a few people who are.

Jeff is also still playing Bible study on the Cal Poly campus.  No one attends, but he still pretends it's "studies in the old and new testament." 

Don't worry, the word is out to stay away from it, and it is a non-issue on campus.

Jeff is bitter, and wishes the Assembly never ended.  He goes up to hear Scott Testa preach, and may even have gone to hear George.  I don't know about the latter, but am quite sure about the former.

George is active in Pasadena, Riverside San Francisco, etc.

So, if everyone allows it, Jeff will try to rebuild something, even if it's not the Assembly.  He just needs to find a place where he can be second in command.

Brent

How remarkable!
To have been so long in leadership and yet not understand that God intends far better for him!
When it comes to ministry, it is the height of sheer folly to attempt
 to stand in a place that God has not assigned you. No person in their right mind would think of it, much less do it. If he does not get some help, his state will worsen. Family has the best chance of reaching him. Surely he will respond to a man of wisdom like his father -in -law?!
Speaking of ministry, the musical group Recall will be giving its debut performance at Gibson City Bible Church tomorrow, yours truly on the fretless...we will play "Grace Flows Down", a really beautiful song.
Worship is my favorite time of the week!
Verne

My heart goes out to the Miller family.  I think few families had such direct influcence by Geftakys than the Millers.  I remember one evening in Fullerton where there was talk about moving the Miller children (Becky, Mike, etc.) for fear that the "disgruntled and unstable" father was coming to town and would try to influence them out.

What a switch.

I still shake my head in amazement when I think of what Gefakys did to that family.
One of the things I would freguently warn brothers in leadership about was giving counsel that could in any way be construed as divisive, to married couples. George and Betty turned this tactic into an art form.
 It was somewhat startling what some people think they had a right to say and suggest just because others sought their counsel. The desrtuction of that family was nothing short of criminal and even more astonishing is that it was aided and abetted by folk who knew them...

It's a good clear-cut example of what they did to many families.....

I would appreciate hearing from anyone having first hand information or knowledge concerning Jeff Lemkuhl's  alleged negligence in acting upon the abuses perpetrated by David Geftakys against his family.  Any information about the current situation concerning Jeff's relationship with active assemblies or with GG would also be appreciated.

You can e-mail me at  chuckmiller888@yahoo.com.,  or a BB post will suffice

Chuck Miller

Hi Chuck,

Jeff's letter, reproduced exactly as he wrote it, is one of the first posts in this thread.  If you read it, and realize what he is saying, you need not know any more than that.

As for first-hand info, you would have to talk to someone who is in contact with Jeff, or Jeff himself.

I can tell you, as a fact, that Jeff and his family attend "seminars" in San Francisco, put on by Scott Testa.  Testa, and the SF assembly have not ex-communicated George, and still recieve him.  Jeff attends these, and gets "blessed."

Brent

Good to see you Chuck. I hope that one of these days I get an opportunity talk to you in person.
I think many of us could learn a lot from folk like you who saw George for what he was from the outset...
Verne

I do not have first hand information concerning Jeff Lehmkuhl's negligence in acting upon the abuses perpetrated by David Geftakys against his family either.  However, the following are a few pieces of memory I thought I should record here, along with a few comments:  I recall Jeff's high respect for Mr Geftakys, even when he had to know about the referenced abuse as they occured under the same roof where he lived.  I also recall him saying, regarding his experience of living in the DG house, that DG always insisted that as long as you live with him, that you are there to do things his way, etc.  And that DG would frequently use a sharp intonation and loud volume to facilitate agreement.  Overall, I conclude that he was brainwashed by David, through the usual techniques that are employed by agressive cult leader.  It's a shame that Jeff didn't reciprocate appropriatly, but such is the past.  I also recall how he was quite saddened to see Keith Walker and his family leave SLO prior to David's arrival.  In hindsight, it seems that he was almost anticipating a bad storm arriving in addition to bidding farwell to his friend Keith.  Everything seemed well in SLO until DG's arrival.  I remained associated with the SLO group for about a year prior to and about two years after DG's arrival, then left after getting nauseated with his attitude.  The only reason I stayed around was because I thought that it was the right place to be and that the people were alright.  But DG was simply too weird for me and GG's seminars were putting me to sleep.  I decided to leave during one of the seminars.  I was sitting in the chair and fell asleep to GG's boring pontifications.  I woke up suddenlty and heard GG say that'if you don't like it here, then leave".. I don't know if he was speaking to me in anger to my sleeping, but the message was enlightening enough to make that the last seminar, and really the only thing from all the seminars that I can remember 18 years later.

Looks like the grand tragedy of the whole thing are the children of some of the "leaders":  They were all very adorable and it's a shame how they were abused by the meansteak people, especially the one, who for out of repsect for his children, I won't name.  I hope that they break the family tradition and provide good home for their children.

Dan

I went back and re-read that letter. It is quite telling that this individual imagines himself possessed of the authority to "extinguish a dimly burning wick".  How sad!
The stated repentance notwithstanding, this is spiritual arrogance and delusion run amok.
Verne

I went back and re-read it and most of the thread as well. 

There's nothing more to say.  Jeff lied about David's annoying habits of beating women, drinking and fits of rage, covering up for him for years.

Jeff was physically present when the restraining order was signed....

Jeff told people, mere weeks before George's excommunication that "David didn't beat Judy."

He gave a sham repentance, under duress in Jan of '03.

He is now calling documented facts, such as how he lied about David's abuse of his family,  "Gossip."

He hasn't repented of the repentence of his repentence. 

He's a confused, treacherous liar.

But I repeat myself, there's nothing more to say.

Brent

I have a few friends who make no bones about the fact that they despise religion.
We have very animated discussions about the nature of truth and whait it is really possible to know.
they are not by an means godly folk, but you know what? I respect them. They make no pretensions about who they are and what the believe.
The most revolting thing on the face of God's earth, is a religious hypocrite, who engages in destructive conduct, then employs all sorts of pseudo-religious double-speak to try and justify what is clearly catastrophic moral failure.
These things ought not to be. But you are right Brent, what more is there to say... :'(
Verne