The Bold and the Fearful --

[M2]

Hi Lenore,

The verses you referenced show us that we are to follow Christ's example.  I am still interested in what the practical expression of following Christ's example looks like to you.  What is the practical expression of demonstrating God's love?

The "God" of the assembly is not the God of the bible, and many of us have a distorted view of God as a result.  So it is useful to discuss it, don't you think??

I said "amen" to a lot of ministry that I now feel the need to re-evaluate.

Marcia

[tenderhearted]

I am thinking out loud here.

There is a problem with assuming. There is a problem of listening with fix mind.
There is a problem of always having the last word.
There is a problem of always exerting your rights.

In another thread "Wounded Piligrim"

There were a couple of examples of assuming.
And few of listening with fix minds.

1. I got the a passage of scripture meaning of weakness wrong.
I was corrected.
The next posting I wrote: SORRY MY MISTAKE, then went on to proceed, to write out different translations of the scripture, for people to see for themselves how weakness in regards to the weakness of worldly wisdom reflects this. After all in another thread I did say to look up any scriptural references given on this website, for yourselves.
Well just look at the next posting.  Because of an assumption, and a fix mind. Well you can see the results for yourself.

2. There was a declaration that certain men on this website is no longer a wounded piligrim.
What an assumption?  What is the behind this statement? Personal knowledge? Face to Face Heart to heart Talk with them!
The lesson here is dont assume. These men could still very well be dealing with wounds of their own, that have not fully scarred over. They may have not felt free to disclose this information.
Leader can be dealing with things in their lives , just like the rest of us. This is a danger of putting leaderships on a pedastel. Treating them as equals, human beings, then when they fail us, disappoint us, or just fall of that appointed by others higher ground. Then we can be more understanding and forgiving.

I recently heard that assume is:

Making   an  { ass}   out of { u}  and { me]

I couldnt of put it more gently because it the effect wouldnt of been the same. Sorry if I overstep the courtesy boundaries.

Lenore

[M2]

I am thinking out loud here.

There is a problem with assuming. There is a problem of listening with fix mind.
There is a problem of always having the last word.
There is a problem of always exerting your rights.

In another thread "Wounded Piligrim"

There were a couple of examples of assuming.
And few of listening with fix minds.

1. I got the a passage of scripture meaning of weakness wrong.
I was corrected.
The next posting I wrote: SORRY MY MISTAKE, then went on to proceed, to write out different translations of the scripture, for people to see for themselves how weakness in regards to the weakness of worldly wisdom reflects this. After all in another thread I did say to look up any scriptural references given on this website, for yourselves.
Well just look at the next posting.  Because of an assumption, and a fix mind. Well you can see the results for yourself.

2. There was a declaration that certain men on this website is no longer a wounded piligrim.
What an assumption?  What is the behind this statement? Personal knowledge? Face to Face Heart to heart Talk with them!
The lesson here is dont assume. These men could still very well be dealing with wounds of their own, that have not fully scarred over. They may have not felt free to disclose this information.
Leader can be dealing with things in their lives , just like the rest of us. This is a danger of putting leaderships on a pedastel. Treating them as equals, human beings, then when they fail us, disappoint us, or just fall of that appointed by others higher ground. Then we can be more understanding and forgiving.

I recently heard that assume is:

Making   an  { ass}   out of { u}  and { me]

I couldnt of put it more gently because it the effect wouldnt of been the same. Sorry if I overstep the courtesy boundaries.

Lenore

STOP being a coward Lenore.  Why don't you address me directly?  I am not a wounded pilgrim anymore I can take it.  I have not arrived yet and have lots to learn, but my identity is not longer tied up in wounded pilgrimness.

STOP judging me about making assumptions and start reading what people have publicly posted about themselves.

I commented on your post because you were wrong to link to two together the way you did.  You don't like to be told bluntly that you are wrong, then yes you can spew all kinds of false doctrine and people will just say poor Lenore, she is a wounded pilgrim, but not me.  You are a coward and a hypocrite.

Marcia

[tenderhearted]

STOP being a coward Lenore.  Why don't you address me directly?  I am not a wounded pilgrim anymore I can take it.  I have not arrived yet and have lots to learn, but my identity is not longer tied up in wounded pilgrimness.

STOP judging me about making assumptions and start reading what people have publicly posted about themselves.

I commented on your post because you were wrong to link to two together the way you did.  You don't like to be told bluntly that you are wrong, then yes you can spew all kinds of false doctrine and people will just say poor Lenore, she is a wounded pilgrim, but not me.  You are a coward and a hypocrite.

Marcia

Okay Marcia.

I will answer you directly.

STOP BEING A SHREW.

STOP JUDGING ME.

STOP CALLING ME NAMES.

STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ME.

STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE.

IS THIS PERSONAL ENOUGH, AND CLEAR ENOUGH.

IS THIS DIRECT ENOUGH FOR YOU, IS THIS BLUNT ENOUGH FOR YOU.

YOU BAITED .

Lenore

[tenderhearted]

I looked up the word:

COWARD:

One who  lacks courage in the face of danger, pain or difficulty.

DENIAL:

Refusal to grant the truth to a statment:


COURAGE:
Bravery, ability to control fear in the face of danger, pain, etc.

To have the courage of one's own convictions is to be brave enough to do or say what one believes is right.


BULLY:
 
A person who uses his strength or power to hurt or  frighten others into doing what he wants.



Reason why I am writing this, I just read a post.

The attitude is assembly attitude.
The attitude I saw, was losing respect for someone who admitted to their own humanity and struggles.
The attitude I saw, was because others do not live up to their own expectations of what they deemed to be right, they want no part of it.
The attitude I saw, was an unforgiving one of those who havent caught up to their level of healing.
The attitude I saw was superior one , claiming I am better than that, I dont need what you are referring to.
The attitude I have saw was one of attacking, to shield the mirror that was being directed at them.
The attitude I saw was one of denial, with double talking, accusatory, .
These are the negative attitudes towards others that I saw.

What I also saw what  was not saying, the area where is being held in tight control, denied, hidden, it comes out in an attitude that swings in messages that is brought forth.
It came out in the baiting.

I saw an attitude of a person who is still hurting, still in pain, still dealing with disappointments, still dealing with betrayals, still dealing with rejection of people who love that was valued.
I saw an attitude of a person who is crying out from behind a wall of denial and bitterness.
I saw an attitude of a person who is pushing away, when in reality ; is afraid of revealing what is in side, for the fear of further rejection. Needing that acceptance and love, yet too afraid to reach out for it in truth and honesty.
I saw an attitude of intolerance for those who are honest and reveals in absolute truth of themselves, but I also saw an attitude of fear to get too close, because it is a fear of coming out of that comfort zone, protectiveness of wall that has been erected. That wall is isolating causing further reactions of attitudes to come forth, because she doesnt want to accept a world ; doesnt fully understand or even want to even attempt to understand, and acknowledge, that there could be a possibility that can either be apart of that world, or even need the wisdom of that world.  So actions of Rejecting first before being rejected comes into play.

In attempting to see, through experienced eyes and spiritual eyes. I believe God has reveal a truth, and the truth is being denied by unbending, unmoldable,  and unwilling to taught attitude.

I am only expressing what I see, which can be only an viewpoint.

Lenore