I was thinking more of that place out in the Mohave that sells hubcaps. That was DG's favorite place. But then, it is owned and operated by a woman and who would wish him on any woman.

Heide,

You're an idiot.

Scott McCumber

Heide, don't take the previous comments personal. On second thought, do take them personal because they are. That seems to be the halmark of this bb. If something is said others don't like they turn it into a personal attack. Very much GGish.

In the future any information you get make sure you skew it, just to protect yourself.

BTW, I did not read you defending anyone. I read information. David is the tirant, not you.

"Rome didn't conquer the world by holding meetings. They did it by killing those who opposed them."

kindly point me towards a bb where people don't spout off personal opinions. i do think scott's idiot comment was out of line (scott, be good!   ), but i'm also sure heide is a strong enough person to handle it. i tend to err on the side of noninterference because i am not interested in turning into the board police, nor do i want to be a babysitter. we are mostly adults here, and shouldn't need those kinds of controls. plus add to that the fact that many of these subjects are pretty touchy to most of the people posting and i think its obvious you can expect some kneejerk reactions. how can someone argue against your personal opinion without stating or implying that you, personally, are wrong?


how original  


again, point me to the last time someone reported information about the assembly without skewing it. or anything for that matter. "On second thought, do take them personal because they are. That seems to be the halmark of this bb. If something is said others don't like they turn it into a personal attack." you don't see any skewing going on here? humans don't just take in information like computers. we automatically interpret it and form conclusions with it - usually conclusions that are consistent with our personal bias (ie your bias against this board (formed perhaps because you were hurt or offended by things written here?)).


my personal attacks were towards david, not heide. he has earned them. heide reported several facts for the purpose of forming the conclusion that followed them in her post, obviously. 1 - david offered money and gave stocks to judy. 2 - she heard he is working (he may not be). 3 - she dosen't know if his mom is still supporting him (although his mom did support him for the past 30 years or so - but who knows if she still is?). thus (here comes the opinion part i disagree with) "in some ways he did try and make things right....". that would be the defending david part that got a reaction from some of us. because i would take those same facts and conclude he was trying to ensnare judy again, or trying to pay her to keep quiet, or trying to restore his public image with a pr move, or etc etc etc. i certainly would not conclude that his heart was in the right place after he committed decades of sadistic abuse. thats why i'm asking heide why she concluded that and what she is getting at. does what i wrote make more sense now? is everyone happy?


i believe the proper term is character assasination. that is exactly what david and other leaders organized against those who opposed him. it worked great until everyone found out what they were (are!) doing through the free flow of information and opinion made possible by the internet. scary, isn't it?

brian

Translation: I've got some gossip and I want to tell everybody but I need to make is sound really legit and profound.


Is that right? Who told you that? David? Judy? 'to help her out,' Is that right? If he did offer, was that his motivation? Is that what he told you? Who told you that his motivation for this supposed offer was 'to help her out,'?

If he did make an offer maybe he had motives you were not privy to (I'm assuming you are not a telepath or empath or anything like that).


Really. THE stock portfolio. Which stock portfolio is that? ALL of it? Some of it? Why? To 'make things right' or to keep her quiet? Is there any chance he was fearful of a civil or criminal suit? Do you think he had something to gain by her silence? I don't know the answers but then again I'm not stating them as fact in a post.


School? Wow. He's made a career of school. Pretty heady stuff. Where did you hear he was working? It's a noble thing when a man's cult falls apart around him and he still has the gumption to go out and get a job. It must mean that he's not as horrible as we all thought. Or he's hungry.


Oh, come on! Give it up! What did your source say? We're all DYING to know. Don't worry, I'll check the bb 150 times a day waiting for your update.


Eulaha seems to think you are a reasonably intelligent person. Hmm. See above quote as counterargument.

Even if any of what you said is fact (and I highly doubt that it is) there is no such thing as to 'try and make things right' without repentance. That would only be at best assuaging a guilty conscience and at worst a pathetic bribe for silence.

Scott McCumber

Dear Brian:

Differing opinion is not calling someone an idiot. Differing opinion is not attacking someones's integrity by questioning their motives.

You see Brian and Scott, the assembly, as you know, used intimidation to silence thought that differed from the conformity. You may think someone is stong enough to be called an idiot without hurt. Some believe that to be intimadation to silence.

You need to reevaluate the purpose of this board. If it is to express one's heart for the purpose of healing in the wake of all that has happened then you and others should allow that expression. Even if it differs from your heart. You can debate and disagree without character assassination, as you put it.

If the purpose of this board is for any other reason then you need to reveal your motive.

David's not such a bad guy.

Sure, he beat his wife, and other stuff.  But when her brother, the attorney came to pick Judy up, David thought about it and offered her some stocks.  He made it right....right?

I know where the stocks came from.  I also know that David routinely hid money from Judy...for years.  Judy never saw a dime from the sale of their house.  She never saw a dime of Alimony, but she did see the stocks, because they are the only asset that can be tracked.

I know where the stocks came from, who gave them to David, the name of the money manager from Prudential in New York  (John _____) and I know which stocks he owned.

David is a great guy.  I don't know why everyone is so down on him.  He made it right.

This is madness.  

Brent

I have no idea why Judy didn't go for the jugular in all of this, but I can tell you that she is a broken person.  The Geftakys family is a total mess.  Plenty of Christians have been persecuted in the past 2000 years, and the real ones don't fall apart like the G's.  Of course, they aren't being persecuted, but are reaping what they have sown.  

Again, David is going to school, what a great guy.  I bet none of you ever went to school.

We were taught by them....think about it.