Irrelevance has never stopped you from talking about my personal life before, including my marital status, not to mention the lack of marital status of others.  Why start now?  Are you saying that because I am divorced and re-married that I am considered an adulteress?  Simple question.  Surely you were not lying when you called me an adulteress several times (we have the quotes).  If you were not lying and if you were giving your opinion, surely you can explain it.


Surely I will not have to fill the post with repeats.  I said, "I know all I want to know about that incident.  It's not a mystery like you make it sound.  Many do know the particulars and I've heard enough to know that there were serious mistakes made re. Pastor Jon."    



I have written 'a book' on it.  You have written 'a library of books' on the subject.  Instead of rehashing, repeating - why don't you just read my 'book.'  www.soaringwiththeeagles.com ??  Besides, why would my opinion be important to a believer on such a subject.  I know I wouldn't want to discuss such a subject with an unbeliever?


If I was a sister in Christ or if I was a woman of ill repute, you should not have spoken in the tone you did to me and you should not have said what you said.  I will not take secret, mean spirited handling by men and keep their dirty little secrets.  I manage my life and do not leave it for others to abuse in secret.  The anointing of the Lord is precious.   There's nothing I enjoy more than waving their dirty underwear in the wind for all to see/hear so they may be ashamed and turn from their wicked ways.

Btw.  Speaking of private emails - I heard through the MP grapevine that you quoted me in a private email to Matt and to Luke re. my statement that I couldn't understand why grown, middle-aged men were so indignant and impatient with younger men...that my husband enjoys younger men and spends time trying to train them, teach them, help them...something along that line.   You emailed both Matt and Luke and said, "You had better watch Sondra's husband - he likes young men." (with a big wink).  That's call taunting, a deliberate effort to stumble.  You felt safe because you knew that two younger brothers would certainly not post your private email that would point to an issue of homosexuality.  Young men are esp. sensitive to these kind of issues.

Now is that something a man of God does?  To go out of your way to humiliate young men who are interested in the things of God?  Many were hurting and felt desperate and confused at that time.  You were an 'elder' in a church and had been out of the assy for many years. So much for private emails. And if that's what a Believer does, my preference would be to live on an island with Leprous Unbelievers, Verne.

This destroys credibility when you are a different person in secret than in the open.  There should not be such a wide discrepancy.  What you are in secret IS what you are in private when you think no one (of significance) is looking.   God AND SONDRA (sometimes) sees in secret and shouts it from the housetops.

Are we all sinners and vulnerable and make mistakes and are ashamed?  Yes, but with one who is so pious, "KJ sounding,"railing, condemning of the Lord's people who disagree with you?? my gloves come off.  


 Madam?  Madam?  Who talks like this?  It's more important to be like the Lord than to mimic the language of the KJV of the NT.  Ok, now for what you said, again, read the book on SWTE.



Well, the proof is in "the pudding" I guess.  All I can see is a frustrated man who doesn't have the key to giving life to others and sows seeds of death and meets with rejection of his word.  Frustration sets in for one who wants to be followed when he doesn't have followers because the cubboards are bare or what is there is sour.  

One cannot give life if he does not have life.  One who does not have life needs to go to the Well and drink from the Well of Living Water and stop memorizing new terms, thoughts, philosophies, etc.  One who is full cannot be filled and so must (here's where the word empty does work well) - EMPTY himself so he might be filled.  Memory knowledge can only assist our spiritual lives in God.  It cannot BE that life.   Go to the Well one cannot drink if they will not die to their own self-love, self-service, and self-preservation.  You stumble at the Cornerstone as did our father - if you will not humble yourself and become as a simple little child.  I pray one day you will say that you know nothing of the Christ and I gladly say today.  I only have a thimble full.
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Irrelevance has never stopped you from talking about my personal life before, including my marital status, not to mention the lack of marital status of others.  Why start now?  Are you saying that because I am divorced and re-married that I am considered an adulteress?  Simple question.  Surely you were not lying when you called me an adulteress several times (we have the quotes).  If you were not lying and if you were giving your opinion, surely you can explain it.


Surely I will not have to fill the post with repeats.  I said, "I know all I want to know about that incident.  It's not a mystery like you make it sound.  Many do know the particulars and I've heard enough to know that there were serious mistakes made re. Pastor Jon."    



I have written 'a book' on it.  You have written 'a library of books' on the subject.  Instead of rehashing, repeating - why don't you just read my 'book.'  www.soaringwiththeeagles.com ??  Besides, why would my opinion be important to a believer on such a subject.  I know I wouldn't want to discuss such a subject with an unbeliever?


If I was a sister in Christ or if I was a woman of ill repute, you should not have spoken in the tone you did to me and you should not have said what you said.  I will not take secret, mean spirited handling by men and keep their dirty little secrets.  I manage my life and do not leave it for others to abuse in secret.  The anointing of the Lord is precious.   There's nothing I enjoy more than waving their dirty underwear in the wind for all to see/hear so they may be ashamed and turn from their wicked ways.

Btw.  Speaking of private emails - I heard through the MP grapevine that you quoted me in a private email to Matt and to Luke re. my statement that I couldn't understand why grown, middle-aged men were so indignant and impatient with younger men...that my husband enjoys younger men and spends time trying to train them, teach them, help them...something along that line.   You emailed both Matt and Luke and said, "You had better watch Sondra's husband - he likes young men." (with a big wink).  That's call taunting, a deliberate effort to stumble.  You felt safe because you knew that two younger brothers would certainly not post your private email that would point to an issue of homosexuality.  Young men are esp. sensitive to these kind of issues.

Now is that something a man of God does?  To go out of your way to humiliate young men who are interested in the things of God?  Many were hurting and felt desperate and confused at that time.  You were an 'elder' in a church and had been out of the assy for many years. So much for private emails. And if that's what a Believer does, my preference would be to live on an island with Leprous Unbelievers, Verne.

This destroys credibility when you are a different person in secret than in the open.  There should not be such a wide discrepancy.  What you are in secret IS what you are in private when you think no one (of significance) is looking.   God AND SONDRA (sometimes) sees in secret and shouts it from the housetops.

Are we all sinners and vulnerable and make mistakes and are ashamed?  Yes, but with one who is so pious, "KJ sounding,"railing, condemning of the Lord's people who disagree with you?? my gloves come off.  


 Madam?  Madam?  Who talks like this?  It's more important to be like the Lord than to mimic the language of the KJV of the NT.  Ok, now for what you said, again, read the book on SWTE.



Well, the proof is in "the pudding" I guess.  All I can see is a frustrated man who doesn't have the key to giving life to others and sows seeds of death and meets with rejection of his word.  Frustration sets in for one who wants to be followed when he doesn't have followers because the cubboards are bare or what is there is sour.  

One cannot give life if he does not have life.  One who does not have life needs to go to the Well and drink from the Well of Living Water and stop memorizing new terms, thoughts, philosophies, etc.  One who is full cannot be filled and so must (here's where the word empty does work well) - EMPTY himself so he might be filled.  Memory knowledge can only assist our spiritual lives in God.  It cannot BE that life.   Go to the Well one cannot drink if they will not die to their own self-love, self-service, and self-preservation.  You stumble at the Cornerstone as did our father - if you will not humble yourself and become as a simple little child.  I pray one day you will say that you know nothing of the Christ and I gladly say today.  I only have a thimble full.

I didn't notice anything changed.

I'm speculating that the BB malfunctioned and changed the date of her post.

I hope the BB administrators make backup copies of the database, since the server may crash.

I don't know what you are talking about here.


I am really trying to have a conversation with Verne, Marcia.  I did not change my post...to my knowledge unless I quoted the wrong one or something??  Don't believe I did.    I merely moved it to the top so Verne could see it.  Is that against an AB rule?  I heard anything goes over here.  Why are you jumping to a conclusion re. my honesty in posting.  Yes, I defended my posts.   It would effect no one as adversely as it would me if I lost it or messed it up.  So why don't you find a good book or something to occupy yourself and let me manage my own account on this board?  If I get what I came for I will be outahere soon.  I really think you need to open your own board.  You would be a good manager.  Actually, I think Brian Tucker should turn this one over to you.  This one seems to be limping like an old pirate.

Btw.  I have witnessed Verne change, edit, alter, a gazillion posts and I don't ever remember you mentioning a thing to him.  What about the -  who knows how many posts he deleted completely -  leaving big holes in threads....little was said.

If I have messed up the post, I am sorry for myself...because it took a lot of effort to write it.  I have no intension of being dishonest in my posting.

No offense, but bug off, will ya?

Sondra

If I get what I came for I will be outahere soon.  
Sondra

I'm here to get something, it's true.  I'm here to get the TRUTH.  Oh yes, what is Truth?  My version of truth is not telling lies, for starters.  Delusions can then be overcome.

Now we see what we are dealing with.  Where are the - well, I won't use the word Verne uses to crow about his great bravery and heroism....we'll just call it backbone?  


This feels a little like when I was a kid and my little brother would come up and slug me in the middle of the back and then, when judgment came close - he wasn't interested in talking about it....usually my mom was very interested in the conversation, however.

This proves it.  If George himself came on the board, Verne would be instantly sick.  Some people on this board would perhaps have the balance to enter into a discussion.  Verne would silence and go dumb.  Big talk.  No, (clears throat), backbone.

This is not about "honoring the Lord."  This is what Verne did his whole time in the assy, as I remember.  He hid.  If he can't criticize - GG, DG, SJ, MP, on and on...he has nothing to talk about.  That's Calvinism at it's best.  When Calvinist's get in too deep with someone - their out is - "oh well, he/she is not even saved."

What happened to your shepherd who would lay down his life for the sheep?  Where could he be?  He's pretending to take the high ground when it's nothing, but cowardice and spiritual weakness.  I think of words he has used to describe himself in the past.  Fearless.  Valiant.  Dauntless.  Tough.  Brave.  Ok, he didn't come right out and say....  but no one questions he MOL boasted about his own attributes with the backdrop of "the incompetence of the Leading Brothers"...on and on.  

No one here has loved Verne.  He has been used.  The love that helps a brother like this was demonstrated in the Assembly.  Yes, there were problems, errors, find me a church/denomination who doesn't have them?  And then there's the secret sins of GG over many years.  All suffer when this type of things happens.  But there were many positive things in the Assemblies that met needs in people's lives.  I fear that Verne's weakness has been fed through this forum.  He has not been loved.  Love confronts and heals people.  Love maintains boundaries.  Verne's membership on AB is the equivalent of hiring an alcoholic to work in the the local pub.  May as well just hook up an IV.

Sondra Jamison,  Admin.  Soaringwiththeeagles.Com
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Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Ephesians 6:10-13

Verne

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Ok.  Let's put it back on Marcia here re. anon.  You seem to only mind anonymity when someone is anon. who disagrees with YOU.   Matt's and my board allows it and protects anon.- this one doesn't.  These two have been posting anon. for a long time and you're cool with that, but you have been trying to yell at Bob for it.  You are a member of our board which does allow anon.  I hope you value your membership, if not, go ahead and out him.  But, this board allows it - don't you see the distinction?  
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