I disagree Verne. It violates my 'computer sensibilities'. Please PM/email me this 'strong evidence'.
Marcia

P.S. I will personally publicly post an apology if I am proven to be wrong - Marcia

You are correct about STL-sister and her attacks.

As a computer professional, you also agree that it would take a good-hacker-knowledge for anyone to 'attempt' using another's email or user account.

And 'ghost writing' cannot be proven unless the person A's IP address shows up on person B's post.

Lord bless,
Marcia

OK everyone.  I really wanted to put this behind us once for all.  

No Hacking is needed.  All I need to do is PM Marcia what I want her to post, and she posts it.  In this way I "wrote" her post.  

If Marcia gives me her password, I can log onto her account and post.

If I am in the same room as her, we can post things, on each of our accounts, on the same computer.

What I did, at the end, was read the following people's PM's.

Matt,
Laurie/STL sister
Mgov--sorry, but I had to figure things out
Luke's--didn't get all of em, cause he deleted his account.
lurker's

By doing this, I was able to see a co-ordinated effort to undermine the BB, and to discredit, Myself, Verne and Mark Campbell.

These guys have read most of the PM's that I mention above, and will concur with what I have to say.  Since it concerned them, I let them read it.

Also, there is something called a Forum Error log in the Admin section of the website.  I can see evertime a person logs in incorrectly, who they are, and what account they were trying to get into.

Matt and Luke both tried to log in to other people's accounts.  I have the error log and the IP's to prove it.  However, can't we just let this lie?  It's over, and in the overall scheme of things, it is next to meaningless.  If that is what really offends them, in light of the whole collapse of George's ministry and its implications, then I think we can conclude that someone isn't seeing straight.

Just so you all know,  I haven't looked at anyones private messages since then, and I cannot do so unless I change your password, which you would know about as soon as you logged in.  I won't do it, unless I sense a concerted effort to lie, impersonate, or defame.  The reason I did it at all, is becaue of the STL sister thing.  It was from that effort that I became aware of what these guys were doing behind the scenes.

I also have the transcripts of several "chats" that Matt and Luke had with a others, which do not make them look good.

So, I guess we all need to evaluate which is the greater sin, or even if something is sin.

1.)Cowardice and complicity with regard to George's adultery, false teaching and abuse

2.) Not being nice to someone on a bulletin board.

In my mind, number 1 seems worse.  However, if someone thinks that the second one is a big issue, well OK.  That tells me plenty about who they are.

Brent

I missed Brent's post below when I posted mine; guess we were posting at about the same time.

In my original post that started off this discussion, I stated my agreement that the LBK had been rude. I do not dispute your decision to dis-allow the LBK from posting, because it did disrupt the BB conversation as a whole.
My disagreement was stated with regards to conclusions about 'hacking' in order to use another's email address and 'ghost-writing'.

The rest of my original post will give you a good idea of my priorities on this forum.

Lord bless,
Marcia

Here is what Matt Peeling has to say about this topic.  He emailed me last night.  I guess I am responsible for "Destroying a Ministry."  I assume he is referring to George's ministry.

Also, he has quite a few compliments for you, my "followers."  I bet many of you didn't know that you were following a man "just like George."  I post this information in order to warn you about myself.  None of the goons here will say anything bad about me,  and none of them know the truth; they have all been brought under my control.  However, Matt knows the truth about me, and so it is only right that he get an opportunity to warn you.  Don't you wish that someone had warned you about George?  Well, I am just like George, and am about to fall, so here is your warning.  Get out while you can.  Repent.  Give thanks to the leading brothers.  Leave this evil BB, and stop following a man---me.

Brent

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Brent,

Quote:

"OK everyone. I really wanted to put this behind us once for all."

I know, buddy, I know. If I had helped to destroy a ministry, I’d also want to put that all behind me in the hopes that the Lord wouldn’t see what I had done. Oops, you’re talking about something else here. My bad. Ok, if I had fabricated lies about two young brothers in order to discredit them, I’d hope that that would be forgotten in my past too. The fact that you needed to use false accusations against us, the fact that you needed to ban our messages of forgiveness, peace, gratitude, honoring those leaders that served us, personal responsibility, etc, the fact that you were completely unable to take any kind of exhortation/rebuke - well, what can I say? All these facts tell me that you needed to resort to evil measures to continue your quest on the bb and to keep your followers with you.

No Hacking is needed. All I need to do is PM Marcia what I want her to post, and she posts it. In this way I "wrote" her post.

Oh, my goodness! I have another interesting fact for you. If you don’t have any money on you, you can call collect from a payphone and then the person you call has to pay instead of you! Now, I assume you’re trying to convince the bb that Luke PM’ed me and told me what to post? Sorry, buddy, you and me both know that Luke and I maybe pm’ed each other twice. I can only remember one off the top of my head and it was something like "all the lively saints said …wow."

If Marcia gives me her password, I can log onto her account and post.

Really? And did you know that fatty foods are NOT good for you? Now, if you were trying to say that Luke gave me his password or I gave him my password, then that would be a boldfaced lie. If Luke and I were in the same room with you, would you be able to say this to us with a straight face? Would you be able to look us in the eye? Maybe the rest of the bb’ers will never know the truth, but there are 3 people who know without a doubt that this is not true: you, Luke, and me. Oh, God knows too. These lies proceed from your mouth, sir, and go straight to God’s ears.

If I am in the same room as her, we can post things, on each of our accounts, on the same computer.


My, my, full of fascinating facts, aren’t we? Did you know that sugar is bad for your teeth? Now, you got us on this one, Brent. Indeed, Luke and I often visit each other when our parents can spare their private jets. Sometimes I just fly out there so we can go out for coffee and talk about how we can rebuild the assemblies. Other times, he’ll fly out here for the sole purpose of posting from my computer and thereby confounding the already confused Brent Tr0ckman. Our last jaunt was to a resort in Kalamazoo in order to plan the implementation of our last operation: Operation BAM! (Brent’s A Moron).


What I did, at the end, was read the following people's PM's.

Matt,
Laurie/STL sister
Mgov--sorry, but I had to figure things out
Luke's--didn't get all of em, cause he deleted his account.
lurker's

You sure did. And when you found out that nobody told me what to post, you realized that you made a fool of yourself and had to lie about it to save yourself. Nothing like lying in the name of the Lord.

By doing this, I was able to see a co-ordinated effort to undermine the BB, and to discredit, Myself, Verne and Mark Campbell.

Hmm…two possibilities here. #1) another lie or #2) you have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality – a condition called schizophrenia. Oops, pulled a Verne and resorted to calling you a psychotic…next thing I’ll be saying is that you’re a racist sexist. THANKS FOR NOTHING VERNE!

These guys have read most of the PM's that I mention above, and will concur with what I have to say. Since it concerned them, I let them read it.

LOL – those two goons drool all over you buddy. They’ll say anything you want them to say. And Verne, like you, can’t take any correction, no matter how gentle.

Prov 16:18-19 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Prov 6:16-17 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Psa 101:5 Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.

And the Bible promises that the same fate that befell Geftakys will befall you if you keep this up, Brent:

Jer 49:16 Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD.

That was GG’s biggest problem, Brent. He was a very proud man, much like you. I urge you to repent and humble yourself before the Lord.


Also, there is something called a Forum Error log in the Admin section of the website. I can see evertime a person logs in incorrectly, who they are, and what account they were trying to get into.

Matt and Luke both tried to log in to other people's accounts. I have the error log and the IP's to prove it. However, can't we just let this lie? It's over, and in the overall scheme of things, it is next to meaningless. If that is what really offends them, in light of the whole collapse of George's ministry and its implications, then I think we can conclude that someone isn't seeing straight.

LOL, yes someone is definitely NOT seeing straight. Check the REAL error log, not the one in your DREAMS.

Just so you all know, I haven't looked at anyones private messages since then, and I cannot do so unless I change your password, which you would know about as soon as you logged in. I won't do it, unless I sense a concerted effort to lie, impersonate, or defame.

Hmmm…how come we can’t check your private messages then? That would be only fair – although I don’t "sense" a concerted effort to lie and defame on your part, but rather I’ve been slapped in the face with your efforts to lie and defame.

The reason I did it at all is because of the STL sister thing. It was from that effort that I became aware of what these guys were doing behind the scenes.

Now this is definitely interesting. Reading our Pm’s was definitely vital in identifying this woman because it is very logical that we would be the first people she’d tell. Hmmm…weren’t you the one who was bragging to me and Luke that you took logic in college? Guess that’s one of the subjects you start to lose over time when you don’t use it….

I also have the transcripts of several "chats" that Matt and Luke had with others, which do not make them look good.

LOL, on man those were hilarious. I’m glad Kim Tobin shared them around so as to give everyone else a good laugh. I wish I had saved some of those chats, now that was some comedic genius. I’m also relieved to hear this because it confirms that Kim read and saved them. Luke and I were worried that our wit went unnoticed. I wonder how those transcripts "do not make us look good." Two younger brothers joking around and being sarcastic with each other – have you ever heard of anything so outrageous? The nerve!

So, I guess we all need to evaluate which is the greater sin, or even if something is sin.

1.) Cowardice and complicity with regard to George's adultery, false teaching and abuse

Blind acceptance of Brent’s lies, defamation, and abuse.

2.) Not being nice to someone on a bulletin board.

Well, brent, seems to me that you’re guilty of both. I don’t think it matters which is more serious though, just repent on both points.

In my mind, number 1 seems worse.

Well, ok, I’ll agree with you then. Acceptance of Brent’s lies is worse than being mean to someone on the bb.

However, if someone thinks that the second one is a big issue, well OK. That tells me plenty about who they are.

Exactly. I mean, imagine someone insisting that people be "nice" on a BB full of primarily Christians. Don’t people have any decency left?

- Matt

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As I said during the STL Sister thing, anyone who wants to view my PM's--I have 257 now, I deleted everything up until that point, is welcome to them.  If you look back in my posts, you will see that I made this offer to everyone months ago.  I also asked Matt if he wouldn't mind me sharing a few emails he wrote to me, to which he replied,  "Don't share them."  I honored his wishes.  

Anyone who wants my PM's is welcome to them.

Brent

Matt...is that guy a nut or what?  My word...

I figured out how "this" (Matt Scaini posting under my name) happened a few days later when I accidentally posted under Dave Mauldin's name!  

What happened is that Matt S. , Dave Mauldin, and I all live in Fullerton.  We have all used the computers in the Library from time to time.  

If you don't log out before closing the website window after your session, the next person who goes to www.geftakysassembly.com from that particular computer will find himself logged in under the previous user's name.

I have become very carefull about logging out whenever I use another computer besides Ole' Betsy here in my study.

God bless,

Thomas Maddux

i don't really want to waste any more of the remainder of my life pointing out the obvious concerning matt and those of his ilk, but i want to go on the record with the following:

I banned matt, luke, and everyone else who has been banned from this board - not brent. i made up my own mind to ban them for reasons i consider valid, and anyone who wants to know why can email me. i explained it at the time. its had nothing to do with ghost posting. it has everything to do with being willingly deceived into offensively propogating other people's twisted perspectives concerning the assembly. it wasn't only their consistently deceived message, or their consistently insulting manner of conveying it, but it was both of these things together that put even a forgiving and easy-going guy like myself   over the edge  

it is my honest opinion that noone has ever intentionally posted under another person's username on this bb. i have run the ip checks even more rigorously than brent has (since i have access he does not) and convinced myself that the ip overlaps that occured were most likely people that were using the same ISP (such as aol) or same facility (such as the public library). however, i believe brent correctly identified a subversive group with agendas destructive to this bb community and i thank him for his vigiliance. that is why he is still an admin. even though i do not agree with brent's original theory that people were intentionally posting under other people's accounts, i do not believe for a second that brent was lying either. he was acting on the best analysis of the information he had available to him with his level of access. the difference is that the bb is on my server so there is nothing about the detailed running of it that i cannot find out if i want to. i was on vacation when stlouissister and other abuses occured. stlouissister was a rather clear cut case, while matt and luke presented a more complex problem. i feel bad that those things got out of hand. it is my earnest intention that such things will not happen again, but the judgement calls needed to prevent them are not simple ones when one values individual liberty of expression as deeply as i do.

i hate seeing people hassle brent over decisions i made concerning this board. on the other hand, i am an extremely busy introvert, and don't usually make as fun of a conversational partner as brent. but quit harassing him anyway, you closeminded juveniles

if someone is harassing you by email here are some ways to get rid of them:
1) make it clear you do not want to receive emails from them anymore - save this request
2) post their emails with their addess and full name here (only if the content would embarass them or discredit them - don't let stupid and harassing emails become a conduit onto this board)
3) contact the service providing their email address (hotmail, yahoo, university) and inform them that this user is abusing the priviledge of their email account. if you keep doing this each time they harass you, you could very well get their account suspended or deleted.

and now, back to the usual fun. i, for one, would love to see joe write up a sequel to the giant hand story where the giant hand apologizes profusely to everyone 'it was all a terrible mistake' and picks up george, tossing him back onto the busy road.  right. ok

brian