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al Hartman
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2005, 07:30:44 pm »



  Al, I would add criticize and immature to your list "fool, idiot, stupid, vapid, hypocritical, sanctimonious".
MM

You are certainly free to do so...  and have.

I prefer to add to that list jackass and ninny.


That I find certain posters' criticisms to be immature is merely my opinion, and does not make it so.  For that reason, I state it as opinion only and do not hold such posters answerable to me.  I have, as previously stated, made more than my share of critical and immature posts, and have repented of the same.

I have been maligned on this board, called a liar, quoted as having said things I never said, and have not made an issue of it.  Why?  Because those who have said these things, and those who admire their posts, are predisposed to believe them and to disbelieve anything said in disagreement with them.  On the other hand, those who genuinely seek God for knowledge of the truth will not be deceived, regardless of who is right or wrong.  I am even foolish enough to pray toward this end.

I have neither received, nor asked for apologies, but have forgiven the offenders and pray for them.  Why? because the Bible teaches doing so; because I don't hold any grudge against them; because they are still, despite some appearances, brethren in Christ and in the fellowship of the church, His bride-to-be; and because they are each answerable to the same Lord as I am and from Who I hope to be judged in mercy and not in anger.

Sanctimony?  Vapid God-talk?  Not my call... or yours.  This is how I believe God wants me to live in His presence, and how I choose to obey Him.  I encourage others to do so as well.  He will judge me and reward me as He sees fit.  If He does not, then I have been wrong about Him.  Either way, I will bear the consequences of my actions.



Posted on: Today at 05:10:55 AM  by: Brent T:
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Where do you get off assuming I don't undertand this?

Assumption may not be the best foundation for a post, but neither is it a crime for which one has to "get off."  Every one of us makes assumptions about others every day, for which we each must take personal responsibility before God. 

To state one's assumption that another's heart and/or mind has engendered an insincere statement, then to accuse that same person of making an assumption about oneself seems oxymoronic; self-contradictory.

Oh, yes, it's all there in print for everyone to plainly see, and interpret according to each's preconceptions.

The science and art of natural (godless) humanity is to assume that all disagreement is of hostile intent and therefore to go on the attack.  "The best defense is a strong offense," and all that.  And if there's one thing mankind excels at, it is being offensive, both toward God and toward His image in our fellow-man.


I have known Tom Maddux since the late 1960s, and have butted heads with him off-and-on over nearly all that time.  There are a few non-complimentary adjectives I could aim at Tom (as I'm sure he could toward me), but I would not express them publicly to humiliate him, simply because in all the time I have known him, he has never given me a reason to doubt his integrity.  If Tom has more to see regarding his conduct on this board, he will eventually see it, and when he sees it, he will express himself as is needed and without hesitation.  He will not, however, be coerced into "confessing" to something he does not see he is guilty of.

One may ask, "How can he not see it when it has been repeatedly spelled out so clearly?"  Does it occur to the asker what an absurd situation would exist if we all saw the same things at the same time?  Where then would be the need to exercise faith, to practice the New Testament's description of love, which believes, in the face of doubt, the best about the object of affection: one's brother?


Let's be willing to get beyond the notion that our acquaintance in cyberspace, or from brief encounters in person, has allowed us to truly know each other.  Our experience of living for years in close proximity to, and daily involvement with, a community of others of like faith, only to be amazed by their recent bizarre (as we see it) behavior, should clue us in to the reality that none of us ever truly knows the heart and mind of another.  I have never met a married couple, regardless of the length of their union, who are not either still getting more intimately acquainted or have given up on ever knowing what makes the other tick.  Why should we think we can jugde the innermost workings of another soul, based upon a few posted paragraphs?


Each of us has a race of his own to run-- let us learn to run it for the pleasure of Him who both has assigned it and who enables us.  And let our relationships be based upon pleasing Christ, and not upon justifying ourselves.

As He has loved us and shown us mercy,
al
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2005, 07:39:50 pm »

Tom, apparently you haven't read the article on Apology. Here's the link http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/TeachingPractice/Apology.htm. Please read it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 10:54:28 pm »

Brent, (and Suzie)

This morning as I awakened the intent of Margaret's long post to me about apologizing came to me.  I have been dealing with it on the basis of "I did a dumb thing and I'm sorry".   I have not been thinking of how this debacle affected you.

It must have been very frustrating to be falsely accused of doing something, then to have your attempts at explanation turned back upon you on the basis of something I imagined you had said. Since wives tend to empathize with their husbands, I would imagine that this has been unpleasant for both of you.

This situation was caused by my careless treatment of the issue and my unwillingness to consider the entreaties of a number of people.

All I can say is that I sincerely apologize to you both, and that I will try to be more entreatable in the future.  Please forgive me.

Thomas Maddux
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 11:10:59 pm »

Thanks Tom.

Suzie and I appreciate it  Are you apologizing for what you said, as well as why you said it?

Brent
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2005, 11:12:12 pm »

Brent, (and Suzie)

This morning as I awakened the intent of Margaret's long post to me about apologizing came to me.  I have been dealing with it on the basis of "I did a dumb thing and I'm sorry".   I have not been thinking of how this debacle affected you.

It must have been very frustrating to be falsely accused of doing something, then to have your attempts at explanation turned back upon you on the basis of something I imagined you had said. Since wives tend to empathize with their husbands, I would imagine that this has been unpleasant for both of you.

This situation was caused by my careless treatment of the issue and my unwillingness to consider the entreaties of a number of people.

All I can say is that I sincerely apologize to you both, and that I will try to be more entreatable in the future.  Please forgive me.

Thomas Maddux

Eveybody knows that Tom and I have butted heads on an occasion or two.
Rough edges on both our parts notwithstanding, the above is an example of why I love the man.   Smiley
Nuff said!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2005, 12:10:54 am »


This is an excellent example of why every BB needs at least one savvy moderator. As has been stated before, and for manifest reasons, this practice is in very poor form and no  moderator worth his/her salt would permit it. Just my two cents.
Verne

Verne,

I deleted the link for reasons I will explain under a new thread.

Tom M.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2005, 12:16:12 am »

Thanks Tom.

Suzie and I appreciate it  Are you apologizing for what you said, as well as why you said it?

Brent

All of it.

Thomas Maddux
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2005, 12:32:24 am »

All of it.

Thomas Maddux

OK, I'm cool with this.  I accept your apology and we can talk face to face now, with no hinderence. Thanks.

I do have a question for you.  Why did you feel so strongly about insisting that I called the woman a whore?   What I mean to say is you went to great lengths talking about farming, etc. 

Why so exercised and vigorous on this point, but so lacadaisical on others?

Brent
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2005, 12:49:07 am »



Link deleted

This is an excellent example of why every BB needs at least one savvy moderator. As has been stated before, and for manifest reasons, this practice is in very poor form and no  moderator worth his/her salt would permit it. Just my two cents.
Verne

I agree Verne. That makes four cents.

(The read itself isn't worth that much.   Smiley
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vernecarty
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2005, 12:58:46 am »

I agree Verne. That makes four cents.

(The read itself isn't worth that much.   Smiley

I shall  gladly take your word for it...!  Smiley
Verne

p.s O.K folks, I got a zillion kids from piano camp coming to our home ( the new house has a scandalously huge back yard) today and I am in charge of the grill so I gotta go fire up the kingsford...hot and spicy ribs will definitely be on the menu - for the adults of course...ciao..  Smiley  Smiley  Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2005, 01:16:36 am »

OK, I'm cool with this.  I accept your apology and we can talk face to face now, with no hinderence. Thanks.

I do have a question for you.  Why did you feel so strongly about insisting that I called the woman a whore?   What I mean to say is you went to great lengths talking about farming, etc. 

Why so exercised and vigorous on this point, but so lacadaisical on others?

Brent

Brent,

That is the way I understood your comment about "entertaining" men.  The rest flowed out of that "understanding".

As to why it bothered me so much...probably has to do with the culture I grew up in.   During my high school years girls were treated differently.  That, of course, had good and bad aspects.

The good side was that every decent boy/man felt that it was his duty to protect women.  Not only from physical harm, but from even being exposed to filthy talk or insinuation.  When I was in high school, if you swore in front of a girl, you might well have to fight her boyfriend for the affront to her honor.

If you swore at a girl you would probably not be dating anyone for quite a while...plus you would probably have to fight her brother, her father, (not a good idea), or just a bystander!

Once when I was in the USAF (18-21 years old) a group of us had quite a time regaling each other about the times when we had slipped up and said something foul, (especially the "f" word) in front of a girl.....or even, horror of horrors, someone's mother!  We all understood the humiliation of doing such a thing because we all shared common values on the subject.  In retrospect, the incidents sounded funny...someone else had suffered the pain.

In the 70's this all changed.  The women are frequently as foul mouthed, or fouler mouthed, as the men.

If you called a girl a whore...you would probably have to fight every guy she knew....if there was anything left of you.


As for "lackadaisical", see my new thread on "Ruth".
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