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moonflower2
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2007, 07:07:25 am »

Dave,

 I propose universal health care for all animals as well. 
                                                              God Bless,  Mark C.
Yes! Then my cat can qualify for dialysis when she gets kidney failure at the end of her life.
In fact, I'm going to sue because one of my cats had to die because I couldn't afford medical care for her kidney failure. Does anyone here have a contact in the government, ie, are there any democrats aboard?  Wink
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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2007, 10:08:13 am »

I'm going to sue because one of my cats had to die because I couldn't afford medical care for her kidney failure.


   Moon, sorry about your cat!   Cry
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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2007, 10:13:56 pm »

Summary of discussion:

          Assertion: "Although the U.S.A. is the richest country in the world its healthcare system ranks 37th and leaves many individuals in heartbreaking financial losses and even death."


         Argument: "Other countries have a quality of healthcare that is substandard to the U.S.A."


          Counter:  I provided testimonies from people all over the world and the U.S.A. They have supported the assertion that although other countries have their problems they in no way compare to the U.S.A.


          Counter: Italy will be gone in 200 years! Counter:Swiftboat the W.H.O. Counter: Free grace is abused by human nature!



  This doesn't really address the fact that the richest country in the world is 37th!  Tom, Marc, would it destroy your pride to just accept this fact?  I am tired of beating this dead hor...er hippogriff (Sorry Marc)
and am bowing out!  Good-by!
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« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2007, 12:51:18 am »

Folks,

Dave and I had some discussion about falling birthrates.

Here is a link to an London Daily News article about a huge youth campaign where the young folks are encouraged to "do it for the Motherland". 

The reason for this is that Russia's population is dropping at a rate of a million per year!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=471324&in_page_id=1770

Oh, by the way, for anyone who cannot or will not do the math, state provided health care requires either: 1. A stable or growing population  2. Constant borrowing to keep the system running.

To have an aging population due to low birthrates means that a system with a growing number of health care consumers, (the old folks), must be supported by a rapidly declining number of tax-paying producers, (the young folks).  Hence, the need to borrow, and borrow, and borrow some more.

One might call it the "send the bills to your grandkids" system.

btw, the main point of the article is Russia's current political slide toward more and more state control.  I linked it to point out that the population problem is real and growing.

Tom Maddux
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« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2007, 02:23:28 pm »

  This doesn't really address the fact that the richest country in the world is 37th!  Tom, Marc, would it destroy your pride to just accept this fact?  I am tired of

Answer (from a Canandian doctor):

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=270338135202343

"One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

Americans live 75.3 years on average, fewer than Canadians (77.3) or the French (76.6) or the citizens of any Western European nation save Portugal. Health care influences life expectancy, of course. But a life can end because of a murder, a fall or a car accident. Such factors aren't academic — homicide rates in the U.S. are much higher than in other countries.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels. Five-year cancer survival rates bear this out. For leukemia, the American survival rate is almost 50%; the European rate is just 35%. Esophageal carcinoma: 12% in the U.S., 6% in Europe. The survival rate for prostate cancer is 81.2% here, yet 61.7% in France and down to 44.3% in England — a striking variation.

Like many critics of American health care, though, Krugman argues that the costs are just too high: health care spending in Canada and Britain, he notes, is a small fraction of what Americans pay. Again, the picture isn't quite as clear as he suggests. Because the U.S. is so much wealthier than other countries, it isn't unreasonable for it to spend more on health care. Take America's high spending on research and development. M.D. Anderson in Texas, a prominent cancer center, spends more on research than Canada does."

The article goes on further to explain that Canada's health care is becoming more privatized, even though it is illegal in some cases.  The government just turns a blind eye because their socialized health care system sucks so bad they need relief and are willing to take it, sanctioned by the current laws or not.
Privatization is the way to go baby!  More socialization is a death sentence to good health care.  Period.  End of story.
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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2007, 02:50:32 am »

Folks,

Read the article linked on Gu3st's post below, and you will be GLAD that we are 37th in health care!!!!

(Whatever 37th actually means)

Tom Maddux
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