I'm waiting for answers

[Hope]

Jack, please post your e-mail address.
Thanks,
An old friend

[jackhutchinson]

Gordon,

I so appreciate the fact that you have responded on this site.  Candor is what is needed at this hour.

Brent has stated "This is no longer my job, exposing.  You all must obey eph 5:8-14 on your own, in person, with the people in your sphere.  You can't look to me to do it, it is your RESPONSIBILITY!!!"  Brent has passed the baton to us now.  We must take responsibility to expose in person, and (I believe) on this site.  Have you read "The Code of Silence"?  One effect of this tactic is to force silence by saying that the internet is not "the appropriate place to discuss this".  Are all the posts written with just the right "spirit"?  Maybe not, but let's not make people an offender for a word or strain at gnats.  The gross darkness of manipulation in the assemblies is of far, far, far greater concern to God than sarcasm.  People all over the world are seeing this thing unfold right before their eyes and it NEEDS to happen.

Eulehah has been engrossed in this for so long, she no longer needs to have the truth blaring right in front of her eyes.  She gets it.  She, as an adult, is FREE to choose not to look at this site.  Nobody is forcing her to come here (or to stay away, for that matter).

No leading brother ever told me I was gossiping when I finked on people for stuff like watching R-rated movies, etc.  In fact, long ago I finked on Brent for watching one such movie.  Boy, did I feel spiritual.  I was "standing for the Lord".  But, when you expose the darkness of the leadership's tactics on the web, the axe comes down in the form of a 20-minute lecture.

I totally agree with Brent.  They did repent last weekend of what they saw.  I'm not saying that their repentance isn't real.  I am saying that we need to help then CONTINUE repenting by showing them their error.  They don't see it all, just like the rest of us.  The web is just such a place to discuss this now.  I have not caused any hurt by my posts.  It is the abuse, lies, cover-ups, manipulation and slander tactics that have caused such pain and suffering.  Like Brent said, they were/are deceived, and are just beginning to unlearn these ways of thinking that have been engrained into them.  Brent is not the Savior here.  God has used him, but only the Lord can truly heal.  The Lord wants every joint to supply, and this is my contribution.

For the present, I plan to stay in the assembly in SLO to shine the light of truth.  If I am harrassed by leadership, you will all know.  I know this will be a huge battle, but many will be liberated!

Basking in His love and liberty,
Jack
(off to lunch with Corey to discuss how we will stand here in SLO)

[ptemplin7]

Thanks for the call last night Jack,

Keep it up. The fear will dissapate as others see that really at opur core most of us who have left would like nothing better than to be reconciled with our brethern.

Please keep passing inforamtion to them and posting things that are happening.

As I said last night please feel free to pass my contact information onto others there. I would love to talk to my old friends and roomates (and others!).

Thanks Paris
650.508.0877

PS Jack do add your email to your profile. Or get a yahoo account for it. It's a great way for others to contact and say hello if they feal posting is something they aren't ready for.  MPT

[Joe Sperling]

Brent----

Thanks for clarifying things a bit in your post concerning
George and his sins. The whole thing is so disturbing and
sad. But do you think George will do the same thing he has done before and attempt to start another Assembly some-where else? Do you think any of the LB's who stepped down would actually follow him if he did? I guess there's really no answer to this--I just wondered whether anyone else had thought about that possible scenario. This whole thing has been almost surrealistic to me--I was on the Rick Ross sight when this website was being created, and in such a short time the Lord has done a massive cleaning of house.The Lord has really used you Brent and everyone else who has contributed to this site. God bless you all.

--Joe

[editor]

HI Joe

George is finished.  Period.

I worry about several of his followers and what they might do, but then I remind myself that these men are all weak, and are NOT leaders.  They might be tempted to more mischief, if they had a strong leader to tell them what to do, but that seems to be lacking at present.

Unfortunately, when you study cult stories, many ex-cult members, get out only to join another cult.  IE, out of the occult and into Watchtower, or Oneness Pentecostal, etc.  In this case, where we are not talking about a cult, but about Christians,  we must pray that people don't leave one abusive church only to join another.

There are going to be some tragic stories, however, there are going to be some wonderful demonstrations of God's grace as well.  The battle right now is not against George, but against the teachings he drilled into his servants.

When you hear this statement, from a newly delivered Assembly person, be aware that the person saying it is telling you that they are in the dark:

"I don't regret a single minute.  The Lord got such depth in my walk with Him, and I have learned so much."

HOGWASH!

Legalism, especially the kind handed down from a Jezebel and her husband, does not and never will bring forth maturity in a believer.  God has gotten a great deliverance in a people who view themselves as having a deeper walk than most other Christians.  

Real deliverance has begun, but it must progress to the point where the people rightly judge themselves.  At the root of this right judgement is the realization that:

All of us WERE/ARE IDOLATORS!!

Did you all hear this?  We were/are not spiritually mature people!!  We followed and served a man, in spite of the fact that our consciences told us that something was wrong.  This is not what mature Christians do.

Does anyone understand this?

Brent

[Peacefulg]

Amen Brent, even though you did not say can I get a witness!

[jesusfreak]

.........

I have stated before, I have been raised an AK.  I do not regret what has come out of my time in that gathering, and in it was where i first got serious in my life before Him.

I have total peace before God in staying with the assembly, and even more so in my life dedicated to Him.  If it was through this gathering that i learned the importance of what He has called us to, and while in it i accepted Christ, how can i possibly say that i regretted it?

The comment was also made about people "rightly judging themselves".  We do not know our hearts, and even less so do we know our Brother's.  I have personally seen God work in my life, and i have feel his peace and love abiding with me.  Is this all fake?  Is this something that a worldy man's sin will cancel out?

 Leave it to the Lord to guide each Man, and just settle in His leading and peace.  

"I don't regret a single minute.  The Lord got such depth in my walk with Him, and I have learned so much."

HOGWASH!

Real deliverance has begun, but it must progress to the point where the people rightly judge themselves

[;>)]

Where did the money go?

Well, I think we just had the quote wrong each sunday --

"It was used in the work here and to buy a broad"

[Not the editor]

If you want more info on that last post, check out:

http://www.geftakysassembly.com/bb/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=143;start=0

[Arthur]

LOL!!!    Yeah, that's a more accurate description of where the money went.

[Roger H]

Guys, these are not hookers.  They are your sisters who were victimized.  Clever pun.  Show some sensitivity.  

[Heide]

Hi Everyone,

So many names that bring back memories.....

So if everyone is repenting (leading brothers). How come no one has called me to apologize? I was called a liar by Jeff and so far he hasn't called to apologize. I'm confused by this repenting business in the SLO assembly. If you sin against your brother or sister  by making false accusations against them don't you have to make it right with them? Isn't that what repentance is all about?  I know it has been two years since I left but I did hear the bad things that the LB's said about me. Since it wasn't true do I get an apology? If someone is going to hold the LB's of the SLO assembly to accountability then let's start with every person that stood outside the Sand's Motel that night to hear George's repentace but were turned away. Start with us! Make it right with me!

Heide C. Johnson

[Arthur]

Hi Heidi,

I was in Jeff's home when he received your email.  He called all the young brothers who were in his home together and said, "We just received this email.  It is defiling and full of lies!  This is a wicked woman!"  We were never allowed to see the email. I read it shortly after I left the group.  All it stated was how it was wrong for the leadership to cover up David's abuse.   How about them apples.
Yeah, I'd say you are owed an apology.

And I remember telling him, "Jeff, you're still going to be a Christian to her, even though she may have wronged you, right, and seek reconcilation and forgive her?"  (I didn't know at the time that you hadn't wronged him at all.)  He looked at me dumbfounded and said yes, but this was terrible what she wrote and then continued on that speil.  Funny, now that we're on the other side of it, I guess I should take my own advice, if they truly are repentant.

Arthur

[BenJapheth]

core issue . . . .  IDOLATRY

Idolatry...Putting a man where he does not belong, in a place where only God can be.  

People, all the problems reviewed in this forum stems from following a man.

FOLLOWING a man!  Following a MAN!  Following a Man!

God was compelled to throw down that beast as an absolute disgusting fraud.  

If any long term adult participant can say after their years in the assemblies...NO, NOT ME, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IDOLATRY, I WAS WHOLEY FOLLOWING THE LORD. You're kidding yourselves dear believer.  

If you woman say, I was just following my husband, then I say you were a horrible helper! Weep for your sins. Don't hide behind your husbands.  We've sinned ladies. You've sinned.  We've sown to the wind and now we are reaping a whirlwind.

Men don't hide behind your leaders.  

And, leaders you will give an account of your stewardship to the Almighty God and you have all been found wanting.  A leader that delivered the saints' very hearts and monies to that fraud is not blameless. You may have a name as leaders, but you have lost your charge over God's flock.  You have been found unfaithful, inadequate. And, repentence can't ever restore your place as a leader of God's flock. You're done. All of you.

It's idolatry sweet saints.  We need to repent.  Don't point fingers dear victims, the owner of the hand and the arm of those trembling pointing fingers is the idolater.  Get right with God yourselves. Repent yourself.

Woe to us...sin...transgression.  What horrible bile.  Woe! Woe to us. God is judging His house and He's not partial to any.

People if we want a clean start, let's clean out the foul, festering past of our IDOLATRY! Repent...Get down, get ugly, lose your dignity and repent.

For everyone trying to sort out their problems, sort out their hurts and understand their injuries - Yes, you were hurt! Yes you were a victim!  Yes, you were wronged!   However, you were worse.  You were an idolater.  An idolater!  Leadership was the priesthood, but we who tolerated this awful beast of man, who paid the idol's tributes in the form of our monies we worshiped the beast. Compliance was worship.

Don't blame the assembly leadership. Look to yourself.  Sure leadership turned a blind eye from injustice.  Yes, they caved into pressure for fear of man.  They'll be judged. But dear saint, can't you see that you and they were idolaters together? Shame on everyone that this site was needed to FORCE others into disciplining this man.

How did this man go 33 years without the beast being renounced?  How?!  How?!

It's a sad world that people need a big-stick.  Let's not pick on the editor of this site, dear saints. But, many will say - "But, we don't like the way he does it."  Well, that's just too bad.  It's the stick that God used; he's getting persecuted by some for being too harsh. He's getting slammed on another site for being an assembly apologist and lackey.  

As an outsider let me say it is my opinion that if this site hadn't happened that great idol would still be running around the world, still reeking havoc.  Does anyone doubt that?!  We need to repent of Idolatry dear Christians or the stick will just get bigger and I'm not talking about the Web site.  The Judgment Seat of God will make this Web site look a like vacuous whisper in a dark abandoned mine.  Folks NOW is the time to come totally clean...All of us.  As we publish our wounds, our hurts, our sordid histories...The question - Have you repented of your idolatry.

You exchanged your freedom in worshipping the creator of the earth to defer to a two-footed fraud. Not only was this man an idol, he was horrible and disgusting, too.  Shame on all of us.

Dear saints and people of God.  Now is the day to get right with God and men.  Seek God and find him while he's available and there is still light.

Current and former leadership get right for idolatrously inspired abuse of your fellow creatures.

Current and former assembly believers:  Get right for being so idolatrously intimidated by man that you'd allow yourselves to be so horribly abused by your fellow creatures.

Fear of man is a trap.

May God have mercy on all of us.

[Peacefulg]

Hi Chuck, can I throw this thought out (nevermind I will anyway).

Yes, IDOLATRY. but for some not necessarily a MAN but a system.  You will say but the Man was the system.  To most I might say yes, but for others, they followed the system.  No matter what man may have been up there they would have cared less, it the system that one them.

Example, most of my LDS friends follow the system if you know what I mean.  They like some us said look how nice the kids behave, look at the low divorce rate, etc., I want that for me, so I buy into the system.

You can even it see it, now in how some places are going to stay together,  this system catered to people who were of a DEPENDENT Mind set, hence why leaving is so hard.  We are in the world but not of it is what the word says, but we so sheltered ourselves from the world, that system took us out of it as much as could be possible.

Last, as you can tell I did not follow George, why because he was too high for me to reach, and I did not feel like kissing tail to get there, so I followed the system.  From the get go Chapter Summary wooed me (oh yeah chapter summary is nice, but there are other good ways to study), I also was blown away by the hospitality.  What I saw was a Christian group that was like LDS and other cults in going out (door to door, etc.), and I fell in love with the system.  My first time hearing George was at the Spring Seminar 89 A NEW COMMANDMENT, I thought he was ok, but like every seminar that followed I just went, those three-four days were not looked foward too, and the times of discussion afterword.  In fact when the "rumors" were going around mid-90s that Dan, Tim, and others might do these I so rejoiced.

I can go on example after example that I would have never worn a concert like T-shirt with George's face on it, the only and I mean ONLY times I read any of his books where our home made us go through them together.

Lord Bless,
G