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« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2004, 08:52:51 am » |
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Human sacrifice indeed. I remember when my health was failing in Ottawa. I got myself all gussied up and had photos taken to send to Grama back in Estevan b/c she was freaking out. How was it that after only being on the campus for one school year, I had to totally withdraw from my classes rather than risk missing another assembly meeting? What came first, my studies, or the Lord's work? And really, sister, if you'd just get your eyes off yourself, you'd be able to attend all the assembly meetings, participate fully in all the responsibilities on the campus, work a part time job and still get all your homework done in the daylight hours, not to mention your stewardships and those special outreaches and fellowships that can't be missed and nights of prayer etc etc and house meetings and still, you end up presenting your schedule, carefully colour coded to Nancy and choke as you try to explain why you can't follow it. You don't want to be a drama queen. You don't want to tell her you fell asleep at work, passed out the last time you were exhorted by another sister, that your whole body went into spasms the other day in the bathtub and you screamed until everyone came running, that your hands and knees shake continually. After all, Delila, you are expendable. The Lord's work can go on without you. You might just be set aside. Think about it. What's more important to you? Christ crucified, indeed. Here's to freedom, Al  Delila |
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« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2004, 07:04:18 pm » |
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Human sacrifice indeed.
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After all, Delila, you are expendable. The Lord's work can go on without you. You might just be set aside. Think about it. What's more important to you?
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In truth, the Lord's work is people. In the assembly, the Lord's work is keeping the assembly machine going at all costs even at the cost of sacrificing people. In truth, the Lord Jesus treated each according to their need. In the assembly people were treated as "the rich young ruler" was treated. Of course, the double standard meant that those whom the LB/LBW was "discipling" got different treatment depending on whether it would "look" damaging to have the person/family leave or not. But each that did not leave, remained in a state of immaturity; i.e. dependant on them the disciplers rather than on Christ. Marcia |
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Kimberley Tobin
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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2004, 08:39:11 pm » |
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In truth, the Lord's work is people. In the assembly, the Lord's work is keeping the assembly machine going at all costs even at the cost of sacrificing people.
Marcia
YES! When my husband and I finally "Woke Up" and made the decision to leave, my husband (a man of few words), simply wrote four points as to why we were leaving as a family and we met with one leading brother and gave him these four points: • I do not desire to be controlled by someone who is totally unaccountable for his own decisions in daily life. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where decisions and plans are made secretly. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where the way people are treated comes second to the goal of the ministry. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where leadership rules by intimidation and verbal pressure, rather than faith and example. I was only going to share the one point that clearly pointed out Marcia's point re: the Lord's work is really about people. The work of the assembly left people by the side of the road, much like the samaritan. However, I thought you all might be interested in the whole shabang! |
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« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2004, 02:04:08 am » |
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Kimberley,
Absolutely. Thank you and Greg.
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« Reply #109 on: February 20, 2004, 04:16:45 am » |
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In truth, the Lord's work is people. In the assembly, the Lord's work is keeping the assembly machine going at all costs even at the cost of sacrificing people.
Marcia
YES! When my husband and I finally "Woke Up" and made the decision to leave, my husband (a man of few words), simply wrote four points as to why we were leaving as a family and we met with one leading brother and gave him these four points: • I do not desire to be controlled by someone who is totally unaccountable for his own decisions in daily life. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where decisions and plans are made secretly. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where the way people are treated comes second to the goal of the ministry. • I do not desire to be involved in a work where leadership rules by intimidation and verbal pressure, rather than faith and example. I was only going to share the one point that clearly pointed out Marcia's point re: the Lord's work is really about people. The work of the assembly left people by the side of the road, much like the samaritan. However, I thought you all might be interested in the whole shabang! I don't know your husband, but I like people who are clear and strait to the point. |
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« Reply #110 on: February 20, 2004, 11:51:09 pm » |
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Kimberley,
Gee, no wonder your husband is a man of few words. Who needs a lecture when everything is PERFECTLY said in four short points? He must be a gem of a guy.
Karey
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Kimberley Tobin
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« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2004, 01:47:13 am » |
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Kimberley,
Gee, no wonder your husband is a man of few words. Who needs a lecture when everything is PERFECTLY said in four short points? He must be a gem of a guy.
Karey
Karey, He is a gem of a guy. Though our marriage, for all intents and purposes, was arranged, I came out with a great guy. And he has gotten SOOOOO much better having left the assembly. His compassionate, kind heart has endeared me to him over this last year+ that we have been navigating the emotional waters. And though he is a man of few words, he allows me the need to talk. I wish that those who were in the assembly when we left could have heard directly from my husband regarding these issues. It definately did not proceed from me and he was resolute about these four points. No discussion, no convincing him otherwise......determined. As I said before, he is no pansie, and that is not the way the leadership "painted" my husband. I couldn't be more proud of him! |
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« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2004, 09:37:37 pm » |
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I finally got the results back. I had forwarded a taped copy of a Seminar to Professor Alan T. Richmond of M.I.T. for examination. He ran tests on the tape and came to the following conclusion:
"Upon testing the sample of the taped messages, it is my conclusion that there was enough "hot air" being released into that room to lift a weather balloon 30 feet in diameter to the borders of the stratosphere. The accumulated "hot air" of the entire seven messages would provide enough steam to propel a locomotive from Los Angeles to the environs of San Francisco. Mr. Geftakys indeed seems to be a living repository of vast amounts of "hot air" that he can release almost at will--he is literally filled with it. This indeed calls for further study."--Alan T. Richmond, Phd.
I will post the results of any further tests when I receive them.
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al Hartman
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« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2004, 09:29:50 am » |
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Joe,
Alas, my friend, I fear you are tilting at windbags...
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Joe Sperling
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« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2004, 09:25:59 pm » |
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My apologies for the below "attempt" at some humor. it appears, alas, that I am the one full of hot air.  --Joe |
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« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2005, 12:10:52 pm » |
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OK may I add one? I remember my brother telling me a long time ago that one of the reasons we need to be diligent about living a sinless life is because whatever you are doing at the time you drop dead, you will be doing when you arrive in Heaven. In other words, if you are arguing with someone and feel hateful and angry inside, and you have a heart attack and die, you arrive in Heaven hateful and angry before the Lord. The possibilities would be positively staggering . . .
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« Reply #116 on: April 18, 2005, 06:45:05 pm » |
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OK may I add one? I remember my brother telling me a long time ago that one of the reasons we need to be diligent about living a sinless life is because whatever you are doing at the time you drop dead, you will be doing when you arrive in Heaven. In other words, if you are arguing with someone and feel hateful and angry inside, and you have a heart attack and die, you arrive in Heaven hateful and angry before the Lord. The possibilities would be positively staggering . . .
Yep, George taught exactly this, on numerous occasions. He usually puctuated it by relating the story of how an elder dropped dead from a heart attack in the middle of a church board meeting. The elder had been arguing during the meeting.... Brent |
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« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2005, 01:44:43 am » |
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Another False Teaching from GG designed to keep the people in their robotic "are you rejoicing " state. Boy if it were true you'd think he'd follow his own preaching and be sure to repent, lest he be caught in the act.( I wonder if that Elder was arguing with
GG and had a heart-attack after listening to him)
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« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2005, 02:58:00 am » |
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When I first heard about the "come into God's presence in the same state you die," teaching, I started daydreaming. This was years ago, but I distinctly remember coming to the following conclusion:
The throne room, (or wherever it is that we first meet God after death,) must be a cacaphonous, crazy place. Every second a few dozen people pop in.
Some are sleeping, others are screaming in pain...once in a while there is one viewing pornography, another is yelling at his wife, until he realizes that it's God, not his wife....others are scared to death....and this goes on 24/7.
So, let's say I die reciting psalm 23, and at the same time another guy dies during electric shock torture...we both get into the Lord's prescence at the same time...the other guy is screaming at the top of his lungs....I'm barely able to whisper...seems kinda strange.
Maybe the hyper-charismatics do have it right, and there really is barking, laughing and crying in the spirit?
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« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2005, 03:19:45 am » |
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I was thinking the same thing. You'd really have to be dumb-struck to buy into this...Here's one I've fasted for awhile, so I order a pizza, as soon as I take the first bite, the parlour bows-up (terrorist, of course) so I'm now goin into eternity really hungry. And good thing I don't die under general anesthsia I could remain drugged for all time. ha, ha. You seem to get the picture. Summer.
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