My Meeting with Tim Geftakys

[David Mauldin]

I met with Tim Geftakys this past Sunday. I asked him "Why did you step down from leadership?" His response was "Because George was in sin and we didn't see it!" I also asked him "Are you planning to go back into leadership?"  His response was "Yes!" This will be determined by a nomination from another brother and if no one amongst the saints,  can show why he shouldn't be in leadership he will again be so.  I also mentioned that  over the years many people have been offended at the leadership in this assembly (Not just from George)  his response to this was "Oh did I offend anyone?"  "If so than I'm sorry."  I also asked him about  "paying the taxes he owes the government for recieving wages during the past 25 years. "  Tim assurred me "I've always paid my taxes on the money I receive from the box!" I also asked him about his moral behavior amongst the sisters in the assembly.  He denied any infidelity. Tim also denied of ever hearing of anyone associated in the assembly who attempted sucide or did comtt suicide.

[Rudy]

This is pure politics. The system of electing a new 'club' president is in
full swing.

They are rolling over the issues of abuse and the geftakys system that
has espoused the abuse is still virile. They don't need any Viagra. They
are conducting business as usual and electing a new 'club president'.

[Eulaha L. Long]

Tim has never done anything immoral with sisters in fellowship?  HA HA HA-that's a big laugh!

[David Mauldin]

Eula do you know something about roman hands?

[Rudy]

Whoaah,

Before I forget.

Tom Greenlee of the Norfolk, NE assembly blew his brains out with a
357. I believe Wayne Mathews was the leading brother on the phone
with him at the time. During Lavitsef  '89 i held back from asking Wayne
about how he was dealing with it. I did ask Gary Schald about that and
his answer turned my blood cold. He said - Tom was just trying to make
us all feel guilty. What kind of a response is that from a shepherd?

[psalm51]

Rudy,
It was not Wayne on the phone. You have the facts wrong.

[David Mauldin]

I remember a young vibrant girl who came into fellowship through Fullerton College in the early 80s.  She was totally involved, outreaches all the meetings, then she began to have very serious struggles because she didn't want to move into a sisters house but she felt pressured to do so.  when all of a sudden she disapeared?  I asked the brother in charge of the campus work and all I got was "She has made deciscions in her life."  7 years later I got the true story, "She swallowed a bottle of pills." I was also told of a brother in Fullerton (who is still there) who struggled with depression and slashed his wrist.  My question is "Why doesn't Tim want to admit that this is a reoccuring problem in the assembly?

[Rudy]

Alright Pat, was it Gary that was on the phone?

[Rudy]

David,

That is sad. The only reason that i can think of for them to lie to
you was in order to cover-up. The young girl's suicide was sad,
but what is worse is the geftakys system which tramples the memories
of the saints so that its system can remain.

Rudy

[psalm51]

Alright Pat, was it Gary that was on the phone?

Rudy,
No. It was a friend of Tom's. We were all out of state at the time.

[Heide]

So if Tim goes back into leadership, who gets to be the new leader? And does Tim confess to knowing about the abuse between Dave & Judy? Or does that just get covered up one more time?

[David Mauldin]

Heide, I imagine Tim will be the new leader .  I suspect that no real changes beyond Georges excommunication are going to take place.  Sunday I stood  in the doorway at the meeting place.  It was sickening to see all the same conformity (These doorkeepers with their startchy shirts and stiff posture, could put any J.W. to shame.) I could hear a letter being read.  It mostly said "What a great fellowship we are...." After 7 years I can't imagine myself as ever being a part of this.

[outdeep]

I'm a bit puzzled about the suicide response.  The very first person I met from the Assembly was Tom Vessy who was with Wes Coen and Roberta Fowler at a book table at Orange Coast College in 1977.  Tom introduced me to the anchors.

The very last time I saw him was at the "Wars of David" seminar in September, 1978.  He seemed troubled and then disappeared.  When I asked about him Wes (a young, rising star in Huntington Beach at that time) told me to "just keep my eyes on the Lord", but gave me no details.

It was several years later that I found out that Tom had hung himself shortly after that seminar.

I am in no way implying blame on Tim for that suicide.  However, there is no denying that it happened and Tom was certainly assiociated with the Assembly.

[editor]

Hello Everyone
Listen up Tim Geftakys

3 things:

There have been several suicides over the years, including a recent one in the Midwest.  Perhaps six in all.  This really is not a good reason to condemn the ministry, however, because George was willing to take whatever he could get in the way of young college students.  If they couldn't serve him actively, they could at least give money.  Many of these people were unstable before they met the ministry.  However, some of them were definitely pushed over the edge by the Assembly.

As far as Tim Geftakys:

He will not lead anyone in Fullerton, unless he starts his own cult.  He may try to do this, and in that case, we need not worry about him, God's judgement will be swift and sure.  As far as him again leading in the "Assembly," too many people are on to him.  However, just to make sure, I'll post some stuff about him, including some of his money handling habits.

I have 2 signed statements from sisters who lived in Tim's home who testify of improper contact, that bordered on sexual contact.  This is not ancient history, but within the last three years.

Don't worry friends, the judgement of the ministry is not contingent upon our diligence, it is something God Himself must do.

Men like Tim will progress no further.  Eli and his sons met sudden destruction, in one day.  This occured after they dared to take the ark into battle.  The day that Tim presumes to elevate himself as a leader over God's people again, will be the day of his destruction.

Brent

[gUEST]

What happened to Rudy ?