BeckyW
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #270 on: July 10, 2003, 09:46:55 pm » |
|
Joe, your post on July 1st under the 'Assembly history and why it's important' thread answered this very well, I think. From your Wuest study on 2nd Peter and how you saw the real mixture of truth and error was what kept many of us under this ministry for so long, when we had a number of warning light experiences. It would make a good mini-article for the main web site, Phill thought. Maybe edit the federal prison part.  BW |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Joe Sperling
Guest
|
|
« Reply #271 on: July 11, 2003, 12:46:31 am » |
|
Thanks. I'll go back and check the July 1st post out.
God bless, Joe
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
vernecarty
Guest
|
|
« Reply #272 on: July 11, 2003, 02:26:33 am » |
|
quote author=Joe Sperling link=board=6;threadid=347;start=0#11056 date=1057850163]
James----
I believe George is saved. I was reading 1 John and it says that no one teaches that Jesus Christ is the Son of God or that he is come in the flesh unless led by the Spirit of God.
--Joe
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:19I'm not sure if George is saved or not...What I do know is that he is obnoxious, irritating, and raised two complete losers for sons.
George Geftakys fits that most frightful of all New Testament categories referred to by Jude as TWICE DEAD...in my humble opinion the proper petition regarding him is for God's swift judgment... Verne |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: July 11, 2003, 02:44:51 am by vernecarty »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
James
Guest
|
|
« Reply #273 on: July 11, 2003, 03:03:30 am » |
|
Is GG saved? We have, yes he is saved but needs to repent, don't know if he is saved, and he may not be saved as per the demons believe and tremble.
This is a serious question. Those of you in the know please enlighten.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
James
Guest
|
|
« Reply #274 on: July 11, 2003, 03:08:52 am » |
|
That portion in Jude seems to be refering to the unbeliever. Jude 19 says they have not the Spirit.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Arthur
Guest
|
|
« Reply #275 on: July 11, 2003, 03:45:04 am » |
|
What do you think, James?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Margaret
Guest
|
|
« Reply #276 on: July 11, 2003, 05:11:17 am » |
|
GG always said that he got saved when, as a young marine, he was walking down the road one night in Goleta and heard singing coming from a church. It so touched his heart that he knelt down at the side of the road and received the Lord.
Don't know if there was any repentance involved. But has anyone ever seen GG repent for anything since then either? That is an issue that makes his salvation questionable.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
M2
Guest
|
|
« Reply #277 on: July 11, 2003, 05:33:23 am » |
|
How is it possible that he knew the Scripture so well? Did he treat it like a career 'front' and taught himself from other writings?
MM
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
James
Guest
|
|
« Reply #278 on: July 11, 2003, 05:52:57 am » |
|
So Margaret from your knowledge and experience would you then doubt he is saved?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Margaret
Guest
|
|
« Reply #279 on: July 11, 2003, 06:01:09 am » |
|
Yes, I am saying that from my knowledge and experience, it seems doubtful.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
editor
Guest
|
|
« Reply #280 on: July 11, 2003, 07:15:36 am » |
|
No one knows whether GG is saved or not. However, the Bible says,
2 Tim 2:17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity ."
To the best of my knowledge, carefully watching George for 17 years, I have never seen George depart from iniquity. There are multiple witnesses who knew him longer, and before I did who say much the same thing. Recent events, and his whacko letters of retirement fit the pattern of an unsaved person. There is absolutely no demonstration of the Holy Spirit in his life.
How could a person give a "blessed message," fresh baked in "Heaven's Kitchen," when part of that message involved immoral behavior? What about all those letters to, "The redeemed of The Lord," where GG admonished us to maintain the testimony, and allow a deep inward working of the cross in order to be available for the master's call, blah blah blah. How could he write these letters all those years when he knew and the women knew what else went on in the typing....
George is an unbeliever, and needs to get saved.
Brent
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
M2
Guest
|
|
« Reply #281 on: July 11, 2003, 08:53:42 am » |
|
GG always said that he got saved when, as a young marine, he was walking down the road one night in Goleta and heard singing coming from a church. It so touched his heart that he knelt down at the side of the road and received the Lord.
Don't know if there was any repentance involved. But has anyone ever seen GG repent for anything since then either? That is an issue that makes his salvation questionable.
Man did he ever brainwash us, and we fell for it hook line and sinker. He brainwashed us about: being spiritual: knelt down at the side of the road. not worldly: no TV because he was not going to invite the world into his living room. I remember him telling us at a MWS that his kids were walking with the Lord and now he was working on his grandchildren -- probably a smoke screen to distract from DG's situation. He even brainwashed us about needing our brain washed, and he was the one who was going to do it, and all the saints said AMEN!! And we actually thought that he was a godly man. I think I need my brain washed again. MM |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
M2
Guest
|
|
« Reply #282 on: July 11, 2003, 06:22:15 pm » |
|
....
George is an unbeliever, and needs to get saved.
Brent
Brent and Everyone, Do you think that these verses apply to GG's condition? HEB 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, HEB 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, HEB 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. HEB 6:7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls upon it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; HEB 6:8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. Marcia |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Margaret
Guest
|
|
« Reply #283 on: July 11, 2003, 06:46:12 pm » |
|
Just to clarify, Heb. 6 is not speaking of losing one's salvation. It is speaking of someone who has been in the church in the midst of God's blessing, has partaken of the Lord's supper, even, and yet is not a believer and eventually falls away.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
M2
Guest
|
|
« Reply #284 on: July 11, 2003, 07:06:51 pm » |
|
Just to clarify, Heb. 6 is not speaking of losing one's salvation. It is speaking of someone who has been in the church in the midst of God's blessing, has partaken of the Lord's supper, even, and yet is not a believer and eventually falls away.
I never saw it that way before, but that is an interesting perspective. So then 'partakers of the Holy Spirit' does not necessarily meen 'indwelling of the Holy Spirit' ?? And how can an unbeliever be enlightened if he hasn't believed?? Marcia |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
