So WHO Is Decieved???

[affirming]

brent, i may post now and again, but i will not be playing cat and mouse with you.  i don't care to follow your format of "look up bible verses hour".  i run a sizeable business and i don't have the time.  do you work outside your home? seriously.  this stuff takes allot of time.

furthermore, debating and combatting verbally just is not productive.  it doesn't help those who really are trying to heal.    if you disagree with my view - it doesn't bother me in the least.  

i've been reading posts for some time where several of you guys get into arguments over doctrinal issues and i think it's shameful.  that and the blame game will not bring God's blessing into your life.  your theology lacks love, peace, and joy.  i know that you think you know allot, but truly i believe you are missing the best part - living in love and simplicity in the Lord.  some who sound like they have all of the doctrinal answers also sound perfectly miserable.  i could debate over scriptural accuracy and might even surprise you and perhaps i should, but i simply choose not to.  i don't think it's productive.  

one little hint though, if you have hatred in your heart, you are already getting a little taste of hell.  wonder how i know that?  from experience.  i didn't read it in the word of God per se.  bitterness is hate's neighbor.  i know that experiencially too.          affirming

[editor]

Dear Affirming

Now that I know, without a doubt, where you stand, I won't trouble you further by dialoguing with you on the BB.  I don't expect you to answer me, nor will I ask you to in the future.

I don't know much about working outside the home, I've only been running my own business for 15 years, outside the home.  This doesn't take much time for me, because I type really fast.

The only time I talk like this is when dealing with Assembly stuff.  The other portion of my life is not nearly so tedious.

I am glad that you found love in your heart.

As for everyone else, I'll continue to post when I feel like it, and if you don't want me to answer you, I won't.  I don't want to make anyone have to look up ideas in the Bible.

Brent

[Joe Sperling]

I'm not perfect in my spelling all of time but I thought I'd mention for the benefit of the one posting below that
the word "allot" is actually two words "a lot".

--Joe

[Arthur]

those who are living by the cross, humbling their SELF life, not saving themselves - can hear the Lord in their spirit and can obey Him.  i have found that in the past by not serving my SELF i.e. my natural man - and stepping over into the spirit man of my life that i am empowered because i can hear the Lord giving me direction to move out, to say something, etc.  

Again, I have heard all this, but where do you see these ideas in the Bible?  I know where the phrase "Natural man," occurs, and I know where the word, "cross" occurs, but where do you see the ideas I quote from you above in the Bible?  Where do you see the idea of "living by the cross?"  Also, where does it say how we are to "step over into the spirit?"  

It was a good study to think about this way of thinking again and see if there indeed was any Biblical support.  
I found the following two passages that I think were the keystones for such teaching.  
Rom 8:5-8, 12-14
Gal 5:16-21
(They are provided at the end of this post.)

Reading them again they seem to make a whole lot more sense now then they did wearing the Geftakys goggles. When I was in the G. ministry, the verses always seemed to be mired in something that I had to do in order for the promises to be accomplished.  They were always read with this hint and connotation that we're not measuring up, we need to try harder, and we probably never will measure up because it is too mysterious to understand.

Now I see that what was so "mysterious" was how George made those passages seem to be saying something that they obviously aren't!

Really, you have to pull just those verses out of context and completely ignore everything else that was said before, after and inbetween them.  For example, inbetween Rom 8:8 and Rom 8:12 Paul says "But you are not in the flesh, you are in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you."  
Oh, but then the Geftakys-follower would say,"Yes, but did you catch that it said,"...if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you" emphasis on the "if".

To which I would reply -- Exactly!  That is the whole point that Paul is making here.  He is NOT illustrating the difference between spiritual Christians that inherit and soulish Christians that don't inherit.  He's defining what it means TO BE SAVED and illustrating the difference between being saved (Spirit of God dwells in you, mind set on the Spirit, in Christ, inherit the kingdom, etc.) and being unsaved.  That's what the whole of chapters of 6, 7 and 8 are about.  Same thing for Galatians 5, which explains what does being free in Christ look like practically, e.g. fruits of the spirit, using liberty to serve others.  

The concept of being a soulish vs. spiritual Chrisitian is not there.  George made it up.  I think he grabbed it from a bunch of different people and then incorporated it into his racket of people-manipulation.  Sad.  Really sad!  What God wrote for us to know of our freedom--wonderful, joyous freedom--George colored it to try to enslave us for his indulgence.

Anyways, some thoughts.  Thank you for the impetus to study this again.  It's what you learn after you take off the G-goggles that really counts.  

Arthur

Rom 8:5-8, 12-14
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, indeed it cannot; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- 13 for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
 
Gal 5:16-21
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh; for these are opposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you would. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

[editor]

Well said Arthur!  

That's what I was trying to get Affirming to affirm, but she didn't have time...

Folks here it is:

The works of the flesh are evident! They are not hidden, or elusive, they are evident!  If they are not evident in my life, it's because I am in the Spirit, because I am a Christian! GG's self/flesh doctrine made out the flesh to be our worst enemy, elusive, powerful, deceitful and pretty much in control at all times.  Aside from the clear contradiction in the Bible, in the verses you mention, George's doctrine was really great...

What a shame to discuss doctrine eh?  

Many people say,  "Doctrine doesn't matter.  What a shame to discuss doctrine!"  

I guess this is true, which is why, on April first, I am going to become a Mormon!  I don't agree with their doctrine, but I really like their emphasis on family.

So, because doctrine doesn't matter, on April first, I am going to become a Mormon!  I don't feel bitter about this either.  In fact, the elders that came to my door---a very scriptural thing to do---told me I have to forgive George if I want to be a Mormon.  So I did, and now I'm not bitter anymore.  Doctrine just gets in the way of healing, I guess....

Doctrine doesn't matter.  The problem is not that we have another Jesus, or another Gospel, but that we are bitter and hurt.

Brent Tr0ckman
April 1st,  2003

[Heide]

Affirming,

I have heard the call to march on and tell the truth to whomever will hear it. You are in no position to tell me what is of peace or what is of truth. This is same ole assembly garbage that only you know what is best for me. I believe as long as I have breath that I will stand for those who cannot. Is that not the mark of a good shepherd? Does he leave the flock when the wolves come down out of the hills? I am perfectly at peace with what I am doing. Apparently though, it seems to bother you alot!

Pursuits of a peaceful nature?  I'm on the floor laughing, just a minute..... Payback for my loss? What have I lost Affirming? I want justice. I want the people who have been hurt to be comforted. Bruises, abrasions and welts go away over time but not the feelings. I want things made right with those people. I want George to apologize.

You have reminded me of something that happened last month, it was put like this. "We have apologizied to you now why can't you stop talking about it?"  As long as I have breath I will continue.

Answer my email or answer Brent, the ball is in your court.

Heide

[affirming]

perhaps i have more time than i thought brent.  do you know what it is when i speak of arguing over doctrine being shameful amoung christians and then your coming back with the idea that i said that discussing or looking at doctrine is worthless, etc.?? this is called lying isn't it in a round about way?  at best it is misrepresenting.  

brent, quite a while ago you mentioned that you are having allot of warfare in your life due to all of the wonderful work you have been doing to expose all of the evil ones.  at the time i thought - you know it may not be warfare.  it may be the lack of blessing and God's grace because of all of the negative and dark and condemning of God's people that you were responsible for.  

you know brent, i have been sick since i got back from mexico about 3 weeks ago.  i haven't had a voice for at least 2 weeks and been on antibiotics so i'm a little tired and i have a business to run.....so yes - i don't have the time or the energy to do allot of bible study.  truthfully i don't know why i am even doing all of this posting.  but i will tell all of you that have come back against me in attack mode - no matter how you slice it - none of you are walking in the spirit of the Lord.  you can throw out as many bible verses as you want.  you can go arm and arm together in agreement.  you're fooling no one.  we all know this is not the spirit of the lord.  i have received several private emails from friends from the assy who see it and who wouldn't dare post on this web site because of the lack of the heart and spirit of the Lord.  

[Tanya]

Affirming:
Be courageous enough to include your name in your posts.
Sincerely,
Tanya Cantrell

[editor]

 
brent, quite a while ago you mentioned that you are having allot of warfare in your life due to all of the wonderful work you have been doing to expose all of the evil ones.  at the time i thought - you know it may not be warfare.  it may be the lack of blessing and God's grace because of all of the negative and dark and condemning of God's people that you were responsible for.  

Dear Affirming

I know you are not suggesting that I wasn't experiencing spiritual warfare.  I know you aren't suggesting that it was a "lack of blessing and God's grace" because of the negative things I was doing.  That wouldn't be healing, and would be kind of opinionated.

I had four days of intense spiritual warfare, which was lifted due to much prayer, from many people.  I haven't expereinced anything like it before, or since.  The issue was that something really big was happening with the Assembly, the enemy was being attacked and his house was being ransacked.  Suzie and I were under demonic attack.

It's all over now, and it ended in tremendous blessing.  My life has never been so blessed as it has since leaving the Geftakys flock.

Now, I am going to do something you haven't done yet.  I am going to answer your post.  I am not going to ignore it and attack you, I am going to answer you and disagree with you.  Do you see the difference?

 do you know what it is when i speak of arguing over doctrine being shameful amoung christians and then your coming back with the idea that i said that discussing or looking at doctrine is worthless, etc.?? this is called lying isn't it in a round about way?  at best it is misrepresenting.

I think I did misrepresent you here.  You did not say that discussing doctrine is shameful.  You specifically said that the way some of us were discussing doctrine was shameful, because we were arguing.

When two people are discussing something they disagree on, it is called an argument.  This happens in almost every conceivable situation in life.  People in cults view discussion of their cult's controversial practices as argumentative, shameful, persucution, an attack, etc.

Mature people, who believe in something can argue without going into cult fortress mode.  Read some of the dialogue between David Mauldin (A buddhist) and some of the other regulars on this website.  David is doctrinally out to lunch, from a Christian perspective, yet he has the decency and maturity to address certain things, and state out well formulated opinions.  They are disagreeing and arguing, but they enjoy it.

That is what I would like to see happen between us, but it can't unless you are willing to answer what I have written.

I apologize for mis-representing your words regarding doctrine.  

Now, again, I want to ask you  to respond to something you just said:

"it may be the lack of blessing and God's grace because of all of the negative and dark and condemning of God's people that you were responsible for."  

Can you name one thing I have said that is untrue?  If it is condemning, and true, then it is not the messenger that is at fault, but the person who did the deed.  Is there anything I have said that isn't true?

I have been abundantly and totally blessed for this labor.  I'm not sick, and God has given me a beautiful family, a great church family, a prosperous business and complete peace.  I also have a zeal to help people who are under the Geftakys spell.

Brent

[moonflower]

brent, quite a while ago you mentioned that you are having allot of warfare in your life due to all of the wonderful work you have been doing to expose all of the evil ones.  at the time i thought - you know it may not be warfare.  it may be the lack of blessing and God's grace because of all of the negative and dark and condemning of God's people that you were responsible for.  
don't know why i am even doing all of this posting.  but i will tell all of you that have come back against me in attack mode - no matter how you slice it - none of you are walking in the spirit of the Lord.  you can throw out as many bible verses as you want.  you can go arm and arm together in agreement.  you're fooling no one.  we all know this is not the spirit of the lord.  i have received several private emails from friends from the assy who see it and who wouldn't dare post on this web site because of the lack of the heart and spirit of the Lord.  

Affirming, I'm sure that you know there is always great warfare when God is working, and He was definitely working to uncover the deceitfulness in the lives of some the the brothers.
You say you are being "attacked" here.  Who is "attacking" whom, Affirming? None of God's prophets were cheerfully accepted by the people to whom they were sent. They were not accepted by the "church" of that day. They were killed, including Christ. You may not like the vessel God uses or the way He uses it, or what He says thru it, but God has spoken to all of us in this. What are you going to do about it? Find fault with the way someone comes across on an e-mail bulletin board? Find fault with someone's emotions? Something has been exposed that should have been exposed years ago. It would never have been exposed to the extent that it was if not for this bulletin board.
On an aside, do you realize how damaging it would be to your faith to hear your father preach and then go home and see how he abuses your mother? By allowing him to get up and "preach", his abuse of your mother is justified, in some way. Think about how you would deal with something like that. Think about the effect it would have on you if you were the abused wife. And that was just the beginning of this whole mess.
In Christ,
Jantje

[Luke Robinson]

Well, I think I will post one more time.  

Dear Brent,

Is this forum dying?  I think it is.  Do you know why?  I thought it was a place of healing!!  Why wouldn't everyone want to come here?  

Well, I think I can tell you why some left.

Brent, you seem unable to discuss without character judgments or [size=68]BIG FONTS[/size](NICE!! Is that supposed to represent your anger?)  You act as the leader of a pack of wolves who go after everyone that opposes you.  Just convince everyone to go after the lame ones on the other side.  God forbid that both groups agree on anything.

Well, isn't it how you wanted it all along?  You've seen those National Geographic Videos, right?  Try to convince everyone on the sly, that you are leader here, that you must be agreed with?  Your job is to stamp out the "false assembly doctrine."  And expose the "Geftakys cultic behavior."  Can you display that on your resume'?

It is amazing how you seem to hold everyone in your grasp.  They praise you and then you put on a show by trying to shoot down others' arguments.  Well, it doesn't seem to be working.  And you seem to become more frenzied.  

It is time for a reality check, Brent.  It is time to face the music.  Once, you had everyone's attention, and everyone seemed to be on your side.  It isn't like that anymore.  You know why?  Because they see how you fight.  It's a public forum as long as you have the upper hand.

So this is a place for healing?  Yes, I heard that everyone has been set free from the "prison" that is the assembly, but I don't really see any happiness.  Only anger.  And bitterness.

You like to dance around the subject.  Saying that "your post is so full of false Geftakysism's that I don't have time to enlighten you."  Let us kiss your feet and bring you grapes.    Would that be enough?

You and many others here, also try to null and void what I(and others) have to say by stating that assembly people take verses out of context.  This is just another excuse to get around the problem.

You are trying to fit into shoes that are a little too big for you.  Now that you have exposed the darkness, you feel that it is your job to tell us what is false and what is true.  
And yet, you are getting so caught up in yourself that you can't.

Let us tango around the logical, pirouette around the hard questions, and waltz right around the love.  God forbid we use any of that.
 
Do I worry you?  Be worried.  But not at me.  Be worried at how your behavior looks before God.  

A friend of mine told me that this forum is a lot of pain, little gain.  I agree.

This website is becoming a waste of time.  Most people have realized that, and have left.  There are still a few here who like to pour salt in their wounds and point fingers.

I will pray for you, because my words are nothing.

Dear Al,

You have been a real example to me and a great spiritual encouragement.  God Bless you for all the work you've done.

You know and I know that this website is a waste of time.  It has run its course, and now is just the Center for Mudslinging[/i}.  No, I am not giving up, but prayer seems to be the only answer right now.  So, I am going to do that.
I have my whole life ahead of me.  It is time to get going.  

Dear affirming,

Thank you!!  You are doing a really good job here.  Sorry, that they don't seem to be listening.  But if you can somehow get them to calm down, then more power to you!  You are gracious and honorable to your assailants.  Heidi, are you taking notes?  

Dear Joe and Heidi,

We all know that as Americans, you have a right to be angry and bitter.  But as Christians...I'll just say that it is not good to wallow in it.  Everyone needs to step out of it, take a nice cold shower, and get on with their lives.

It is not healthy to be angry.  Yes, it may serve a purpose. But it really doesn't help.(see scripture below)

Dear Mark,

Keep up the graciousness.  Maybe one day we will agree on something.  

Dear Everyone,

One verse.

Ephesians 4:26  Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Wow.  Is hanging on to your bitterness and anger a sin?  Or is it somehow excusable before God?  But then again, I was raised in the assembly, so I could be taking this verse out of context.  It might actually mean that camels shouldn't be angry at red herrings.  If this is true, then you can totally disregard all that I have wrote, and write some biting remark about how I'm defending George.    

Paul says to not let the sun go down on your wrath.  Well, how long have you people been angry?  Let's see...365 nights in a year...multiply that by...{fill-in-the-blank}.  I think it's time to let go.  

You folks have some issues to work out before you start "working out the issues" in others lives.  The fireworks are over.  But many of you are still sitting around making explosion sounds with your mouths and waving flashlights.  BOOM!!  KA-ZOW!!  ZING!!  It's rather pointless.

I am thinking that this post will come of no avail.  But maybe this can help out one person to stop being angry and seek the Lord.

I won't be writing again, but you can e-mail me if you like.  

A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson

[editor]

Luke!

You're back!  

I am totally glad you are back, even if I disagree with you.

This is not my BB anymore, hasn't been for a while.  The numbers are way down, and I have some ideas why, but I don't think it is due to my posting.

When I ran this place, I got many emails complaining about certain people and how they made everyone mad, etc.  I have a pretty good idea why the numbers were down then, but I don't know for sure why they are now.  I choose to look at it as being way out of control back when we had 15000 hits a day (17K was the record)

Anyhow, over here in SLO there are plenty of happy people who have been let out of the prison.  I honestly don't know what it is like out there in the "other" saint Luis...

I totally agree with you that the website has run it's course.  That's why I retired.  It is under new management, and I can't wait to see what will happen.  As for the BB, this is Brian Tucker's BB, and he is doing just fine with it.

Dear Luke:

I am not trying to lead anyone, and I am not "caught up in myself,"  I am merely trying to respond to a few people on this thread.  I do it in a way that bothers some, and encourages others.  Not too different than you, just from another direction.

Anyway, I wish this was more healing, but the problem is that a bunch of people come here and say stuff.  Believe it or not, I have about a hundred emails that talk about how healing this BB has been, in spite of all the junk.  It all works out for good.

As for you, I am glad that you have been exposed to much of this, as I know that it will all get worked out in time.

For the record, I am not frenzied, I am in touch with reality, I don't care if I have everyone's attention, I know I don't fight "dirty,"  I don't want anyone kissing my feet, but I do like grapes...

Anyhow, would you like to continue the discussion in a civil manner?  I would really like that.  Now that my resume is written, I will call off the wolf-pack and stop manipulating everyone.  I'll let people who oppose me post, which is something I have never done before.

OK?

Seriously, I am glad you came back, I only hope it is to stay.

Brent

[retread]

...
So this is a place for healing?  Yes, I heard that everyone has been set free from the "prison" that is the assembly, but I don't really see any happiness.  Only anger.  And bitterness.
...

Luke,

I guess that I must be part of everyone .  And yes, I do feel that I have been set free.  However I have been free long before this web site, and the only healing that may be left is to reestablish fellowship with some other assembly members.  Although this web site may not be the place for me to do this, I truly believe that this web site has been used for healing in others.  There have been those who were confused and knew that something was wrong with the assembly, but would be made to feel guilt if they ever questioned the leadership or entertained the idea of exploring fellowship elsewhere.  The assembly really had control over many people.  I believe that this web site has helped people (including some of the perpetrators of this guilt) understand this.  This in turn has brought about healing.  I for one am thankful for this.

Now in some sense the tables may be turned, and some of the assembly faithful may now also be experiencing guilt themselves, and should be careful how they respond to their guilt.  Some may need to examine their motives, and examine why their first reaction may be a defensive one.  Who and what they are trying to defend is a good place to start.  Is it for the Lord, or is it for self?

Oh, and by the way, as at least a part of "everyone", I have no bitterness.

[Mark C.]

Hi Everyone!
  Wow!  This topic really took off!  Thanks Luke for starting it!  And, I was glad to see you back posting.
  Very interesting discussion that gets down to some issues that seem to come up quite a bit on the BB.

1.) Is Assembly teaching deceptive?  And if so, to what extent? (the title of the thread= Who Is Deceived?).  Is there a defect in the Assembly view of the Bible, and the Gospel?

2.) The continuing charge raised that those who want to discuss the above are, "bitter, angry, sinful, etc."  In other words only the unspiritual focus on such things.

3.) The nature of the Christian life:  Is the Spirit filled life actualized by the believer via the inner suppression of the "self life"?

   I would like to try answer some of these questions (not that we haven't in the past) and try to, with the help of others, to gain some clarity in these most important issues.
  In advising those who recently left the Assembly, who were trying to figure out what is baby and what is bath water in Assembly teaching, I advised to start over again in their research and focus on the milk of the Word.  In that spirit I would like to raise the topic of "what is the Gospel?"
   I will try and post a thought for everyone's scrutiny, and hopefully edification, at my earliest opportunity.  By learning what the Bible clearly and firmly instructs, possibly we will be able to see what is clearly wrong.
                                                  God Bless,  Mark

[psalm51]

Dear Luke, Affirming, and all,
I cannot begin to address all the issues on this thread and won't even try.  I do want to declare that, despite the strong and negative opinions about the website held by Luke and affirming, this website was the main catalyst in helping me and my family understand what we'd been involved with for over 25 years. Over the years of our involvement we accumulated many pieces, but unfortunately couldn't find the puzzle box with the picture on it. GA.com was the puzzle box with the picture. Suddenly every single piece of the puzzle fit perfectly and we saw with clarity that we had been involved with a fraud and deceiver. God faithfully handed us that box. We put the pieces together with His help. Here are just a few of those pieces:
A piece of the puzzle: George was distressed after some meetings in Norfolk, NE because there were several people there who had obvious mental disabilities. (At the time, my husband worked in a mental health facility and was a great encouragement to many of his patients, none of whom were dangerous, BTW)  George made disparaging remarks about people with such problems and made it clear that they should not be at our meetings. His position did not seem to line up with the gospel, but George the almighty had spoken, so we put the puzzle piece away (to our shame).

Another puzzle piece: on a visit here, George became very upset because there wasn't enough money for him from the Lord's treasury and he was embarking on a journey. We put the puzzle piece away.

Another puzzle piece: he told a room full of workers about a time when relatives were visiting his home and needed a place to stay for the evening. He gleefully reported to us how he made it very clear that they wouldn't be staying in HIS home. They weren't going to force him to be hospitable-- haha. Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece: he sat in our living room and made disparaging remarks about other workers who had the gall to exhort him about the difficulty of understanding his ministry, seminars in particular. Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece: people who "left fellowship" were labeled as railers, they lost their vision, were carnal.  George told the story of a young woman who married "out of the assembly" and he often stated "God put her on the shelf", implying she could never be used. (BTW she and her family have been greatly used of the Lord) If you met someone who "left" and it seemed like they were walking with the Lord, it was just show and not authentic. Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece: George sat in our living room and lambasted my own son for not wanting to be involved with the assembly. He did not answer one of my son's questions, not one. Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece: David G. had a reputation for always leading the conversation back to sex. We were subjected to several of these kinds of conversations where he supplied way too much information that part of his life. Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece: So much outreach, year after year, week after week, but hardly ever any fruit. One came in, two left... Put the piece away.

Another puzzle piece:  I spent two weeks in the Geftakys' home reorganizing his library at our expense. Betty was petulant about my being there.  Dinnertimes were agonizingly cold. Put the piece away.

The above are just a small, small portion of the puzzle. Many on this website have other pieces, larger portions.

I do not post this because I am angry, distressed, or bitter. On the contrary, I am excited, joyful, and deliriously happy about what God has done.  It seems that the people who are the most delighted with the website and its effects are the ones with the most puzzle pieces.  I also know that there are  those who want to continue saying there aren't any puzzle pieces, much less a puzzle.  I believe that they will continue to be handed pieces and will have to decide what to do with them.  

GA.com exposed the darkness in the Geftakys system. I do not need to hear the old mantra "but there were many good things too". That is not what this is about. The "good things" were from God, Himself - to Him be the glory. The rest was a man-made system, which hurt and defiled many. To discuss that system does not mean someone is bitter, anymore than it makes the Lord Jesus bitter when he defied or exposed  the hypocristy of the Pharisees.

Frankly, I find it a little amusing to see people judging Brent's and other's motives about this website. We will all stand before God. It seems a little premature to be presuming that any of us know what makes Brent tick because of this website or his posts. It really does remind me of the overall tendency in the Geftakys system to criticize and judge.  We are all entitled to our opinions, of course. I certainly have my opinions about George, but obviously, only God can rightly judge him and I know He will. Exposing someone's wrongdoing is not the same as judging and I think that is where the confusion lies. GA.com exposed. God will judge.

May God have mercy on us all.
  p.s. "decieved" is actually spelled "deceived" - that's been driving me crazy since this thread started!! (a former spelling champ from Fillmore county, Nebraska)