Why Luke Robinson May Become a Future Assembly Leader

[Lurker]

 The fact that Matt still goes to an Assembly Bible study? There is no assembly still meeting within a 2 hr radius of me. Dave Lee and Ken Willadsen (FORMER assemblyites of the San Diego assembly) hold the Bible Study, but they don't go to any assembly anymore. Almost everyone at that Bible Study goes to a different church. If you must know, yes, the format is still typical of an assembly Bible study. Chapter summaries, singing from Hymns and Spiritual Songs, open prayer, etc. But none of those things are wrong or indicative of any wrong-doings of the assembly.

OK, help me out here.  I've not been to an Assembly bible study for years, but when I went, they had 2 Hymns, from the book you mention, a prayer in between the hymns, announcements, and then they read the chapter.

Then a person led the Chapter summary time, and then one of the leaders taught from the chapter.  They always had an outline on the board that had a title, and 3 points, which they called a "breakdown."

Is this what you mean by "Assembly format?"

This quote is not biblical but....

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

What is it, a Zebra?

[MGov]

Correct me if I'm wrong.  This thread is a thread againt anyone who shows any sympathy towards the 'assembly'.  When MarkC concluded that he needed to re-consider his thinking on being unsympathethic to those still sympathetic to the 'assembly', all of a sudden Laurie posted something that got the whole thing rolling again.

This is not about Matt or Luke, but about running down anyone whole holds any sympathy to 'assembly' doctrine.

Blast me with your posts, if you wish. OR get before the Lord and search your hearts.


I'm sure I read somewhere "current assembly members welcome, we would like to hear your perspective".

M

[MGov]

I am a little ashamed that no one else on the BB had the integrity to oppose Matt's thuggish conduct. I have found myself in this positon before when Luke mercilessly attacked Brent and everyone stupidly stood by and made lame excuses...thanks for the note.
Verne

Verne, I hope you will not mind me quoting this Private Message. It's of vital importance though that this not be internalized.

I agree with you Eulaha. People, don't make the same mistake as when Luke attacked Brent. Give Verne support, he is on God's side and he is here to promote healing. He has sound clarity of mind and he is here to promote justice.

This attitude communicates to me that Brent is not able to take care of himself, and therefore needs a host of BB posters to defend him.
It also communicates to me that you are starting to put Brent on a pedestal, that he definitely does not want to be on.  This is dangerous;  look where it got us with GG.

M

[Matt]

OK, help me out here.  I've not been to an Assembly bible study for years, but when I went, they had 2 Hymns, from the book you mention, a prayer in between the hymns, announcements, and then they read the chapter.

Then a person led the Chapter summary time, and then one of the leaders taught from the chapter.  They always had an outline on the board that had a title, and 3 points, which they called a "breakdown."

Is this what you mean by "Assembly format?"

This quote is not biblical but....

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

What is it, a Zebra?

I'm not quite sure of the purpose of this post. Do you like to hear (see) yourself talk? I think for a Bible Study to be an assembly Bible Study, at least one person there has to be in a fellowship at an assembly. Chapter summaries are an excellent way, by the way, to get in-depth into the Word and to communicate to others how the Lord spoke to you in that particular chapter. Is that a crime?

[Matt]

 I suggest you take some time from this bulletin board and go to "Bulletin Board Anger Management" classes.

Oh my GOODNESS! Will my sides ever stop hurting from the uncontrollable laughter that your witty joke created? Please, submit that joke to NBC. I'd be very surprised if they didn't give you your own comedy series.

Verne, Matt is not worth arguing over.  He is making you upset, and I see where you're coming from.  You are a good person.  Keep a smile on your face and thank God everyday for the maturity and clarity of mind that God has given you.  You don't have to responds to the likes of people who want to argue.

Yes, because we all know that Verne does not like to argue.

Eulaha, you claim to be so intelligent on one of your posts. Please, quite hiding it from this board! Thanks!

[Luke Robinson]

Dear Friends,

Why do we continue to do this?  We keep making private arguments PUBLIC instead of talking this out with just each other.  Do you have something to prove to the readers by your supposed skill at debate?  I have told people that if they have had a problem with what I have said, then they should simply write me and tell about it.  Instead, what we have here is about four pages of just a couple of people who are trying to decide who is mean and who is not, who needs mental help and who does not.  This is quite sad.  I have tried to tell people my place in this argument, but it seems that I would make more progress if I were to smash my head into random walls around my house.  

I hope to clear the air.  IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME, I would like to say a few words.  Please read, and maybe you will be able to understand me more.  

Dear Eulaha,

I have written you a few times, but you have never written me back.  Why is this?  I have tried to make things right, but it seems that you have already made up your mind about me.  Matt apologized before.  What was your response?  You didn't forgive him or anything.  Instead, you told him to stop sticking up for me and that you would not apologize for anything you've said.  Do you think everyone hates you here?  Well, seeing that I can only speak for myself, I say that I don't hate you.  But the way you let Matt as well as myself swing in the wind after we desired to make amends, shows me that you are not showing love.  If I hated you, I wouldn't tell you that.  If I hated you, I would probably let you just swing in the wind.  But I haven't.  And neither has anyone else.  So I ask you to reconsider your position on how you see me.  That is all I can say.

Dear Laurie,

I do not know you, neither does anyone else from my knowledge.  I ask you to not pass judgment on how you see me or how you perceive me to be.  If you have a personal argument with me, my PM and e-mail are right here whenever you need them.  But if you are just going to talk about me on this forum, and not talk to me in private, then we can't come to any kind of a consensus.  You said that you are scared of Matt simply because he is defending the Geftakys system.  How would you know what the system is like if you have never been there?  Can a person describe the Grand Canyon to you and you would be satisfied?  Besides, I disagree with you that Eulaha has just always been nice to us.  She started this whole thread, remember?  I am trying to intimidate her into being a "submissive woman"?  Where on this forum have I ever tried to do that?  I think that you are reading a little too much into my posts.  But if you would like, I would enjoy talking about them anytime.  Just on a personal basis such as PM or e-mail.  Meaning, without an audience.

Dear Verne,

Would you stop bringing up my past situations to try and prove your points?  This is your own battle and I wish to be removed.  By the way, me attacking Brent was a while ago, and everything has been cleared up, so if you please, leave it alone.  And stop calling all these people stupid for not stepping in to defend Brent from me.  Maybe, they agreed with some of the things I had to say.  Or maybe, they felt that maybe getting involved would only complicate things.  As it has here.  Write me, brother.

Dear Matt,

This arguing is getting us nowhere.  I ask you to stop calling names and if you want to talk to someone personally, than do it PERSONALLY.  You are being rude many of these people and that is not honoring to the Lord. Please don't let us see all of this fighting when there's other things that could be talked about and discussed.  Keep the peace.  

In Closing,

I know I've made mistakes in what I've said to people.  As has many others.  But you see, when we start TALKING to each other, just one on one, that's how we can get things cleared up instead of just making personal arguments public.  

A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson

[Luke Robinson]

Dear Friends,

Here's a story that has been encouraging to my heart, and where I hope to see this thread become in the future.

Once upon a time two brothers who lived on adjoining farms fell into conflict. It was the first serious rift in 40 years of farming side by side, sharing machinery, and trading labor and goods as needed without a conflict. Then the long collaboration fell apart. It began with a small misunderstanding and it grew into a major difference, and finally it exploded into an exchange of bitter words followed by weeks of silence.

One morning there was a knock on John's door. He opened it to find a man with a carpenter's tool box.

"I'm looking for a few days' work" he said, "Perhaps you would have a few small jobs here and there I could help with? Could I help you?"

"Yes," said the older brother. "I do have a job for you. Look across the creek at that farm. That's my neighbor, in fact, it's my younger brother. Last week there was a meadow between us and he took his bulldozer to the river levee and now there is a creek between us. Well, he may have done this to spite me, but I'll do him one better. See that pile of lumber by the barn? I want you to build me a fence-an 8-foot fence-so I won't need to see his place or his face anymore."

The carpenter said, "I think I understand the situation. Show me the nails and the post-hole digger and I'll be able to do a job that pleases you."

The older brother had to go to town, so he helped the carpenter get the materials ready and then he was off for the day. The carpenter worked hard all that day measuring, sawing, nailing. About sunset when the farmer returned, the carpenter had just finished his job.

The farmer's eyes opened wide, his jaw dropped. There was no fence there at all. It was a bridge. A bridge stretching from one side of the creek to the other! A fine piece of work, handrails and all! And the neighbor, his younger brother, was coming toward them, his hand outstretched.

"You are quite a fellow to build this bridge after all I've said and done."

The two brothers stood at each end of the bridge, and then they met in the middle, taking each other's hand. They turned to see the carpenter hoist his toolbox onto his shoulder.

"No, wait! Stay a few days. I've a lot of other projects for you," said the older brother.

"I'd love to stay on," the carpenter said, "but, I have many more bridges to build."


A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson

[Lurker]

Hey Luke!

If you keep it up, like in your last two posts, I think you should be an Assembly leader!  

Very well said.  I Like it!

PS--please don't repent of your recent stance, it is much needed.

[Laurie]

Hey Luke!

If you keep it up, like in your last two posts, I think you should be an Assembly leader!  

Very well said.  I Like it!

PS--please don't repent of your recent stance, it is much needed.

Luke,
Yes, this is true. I owe you a public apology for your judging you too harshly and for saying that you should kill yourself. You are an interesting young man. Keep up the good work!

Verne and Lurker,
You handled Matt's hateful posts extremely well. Don't let him discourage you or offend you.  He's not worth it! He wants to live in that fantasy world of his and believe that the cult was and is good. Verne, you used fair tactics and you admonished him well. Lurker, same for you. You two are both mature and intelligent and an asset to the board.

Eulaha,
Hi Sweetie! Don't worry about Matt. He has spent so much of his time defending a system that hurts women, that he has not seen that what he needs right now is a maternal figure. Some woman to hold him and let him cry his heart out.

Matt,
I cannot take back what I said about the suicide in your case. I think your death would give people peace of mind. I'm not saying that you should do it, because I know you won't. I'm just wanting you to see what an out-of-control person you are and how people hate you so much that they would be relieved to see you kill yourself. Even Luke, who has been the most silent with you would likely be relieved to see that.

[Luke Robinson]

Dear Friends,

I totally disagree with what Laurie said.  It is absolutely terrible how we can talk so losely of suicide and such things.  This is wrong and is not honoring to the Lord in any way.  My name at the bottom of this post is also very wrong.  I would not be relieved if this happened.  I will pray that this mindset would stop and encouragement would ensue.  I still can't believe all of this.

A Brother in Christ,

Luke Robinson

[sfortescue]

He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.  I John 2:10-11

[Lurker]

Ssshhhh!

Can you hear that?

I think I hear the sound of peace, and the quiet rustle of people returning to their senses.  

[Laurie]

Luke, calm down. I said that you were "likely" to feel that way, I didn't say that you actually felt that way. Matt, I still feel that way. Eulaha, don't worry sweetie.
Here is a little game to help lighten things up. We used this game in my office by filling out the questionnaire and giving it to someone else to see if they could figure out who it was.

1. How old are you?  30
2. Where are you right now? In front of my home computer.
3. What are you listening to? A commerical on the smooth jazz station.
4.  How would you describe your personality? Funny, out-going.
5. What do you like best about your locale? Beautiful scenic mountain view (I live in Colorado)
6.  What do you like the least? It's too dry here; sometimes I get nosebleeds as a result.
7.  If you are a woman, what's the manliest thing about you. If you are a man, what's the girliest thing about you? Well, sometimes I'm lazy.
8.  What are some personal interests you have? Feminism. Social Justice. Socialism. Civil Rights.
9. What was the last movie you saw in the theater and did you like it? Core. No, I didn't like it that much.
10. What was the funniest joke you heard today? Can't think of one I've heard today.

And these 2 I added onto the list:
11. Who's your favorite person on this board? Eulaha L. Verne C. Lurker.
12.  Who you do you dislike the most? Matt by far. Then Luke R.

Now, people calm down and don't get all worked up about a woman defending another woman from male hatred.

Love,
Laurie

[Matt]

Ok, Laurie. I like these type of things myself, so I'll fill this out.

1. How old are you?  21
2. Where are you right now? In front of my home computer. (Look, Laurie, we have something in common!)
3. What are you listening to? Linkin Park's meteroa (it's awesome, you NEED to get it) and my roommate singing country songs to himself.  

4.  How would you describe your personality? I'm Crazy! My craziness encompasses laughing at inappropriate times and inflicting bodily injury to myself from trying to perform stunts.                                  

5. What do you like best about your locale? um...the weather? (not really)                                              

 6.  What do you like the least? Probably Governor Scrub (aka Davis) That man encompasses everything I dislike about California.                                              

7.  If you are a woman, what's the manliest thing about you. If you are a man, what's the girliest thing about you? Ok, keep this just between us on the bulletin board, but I don't know what I'd do without my backSUCK boys and n'STINK. oh my gosh, i'm also totally BRATney spears biggest fan. oops, i hit the caps too much. Anyway, I'm thinking about becoming a groupie, especially for n'Stink. I just can't understand why all the groupies are girls?

8.  What are some personal interests you have? Reading, Hiking, Movies, Music.

9. What was the last movie you saw in the theater and did you like it? Shanghai Knights. Yes, it was funny. Go and see it.

10. What was the funniest joke you heard today?
 
"Don't worry about Matt. He has spent so much of his time defending a system that hurts women, that he has not seen that what he needs right now is a maternal figure. Some woman to hold him and let him cry his heart out."

"Matt,
I cannot take back what I said about the suicide in your case. I think your death would give people peace of mind."

"I suggest you take some time from this bulletin board and go to "Bulletin Board Anger Management" classes."

One of the above...can't decide which.



And these 2 I added onto the list: (Laurie added to the list)
11. Who's your favorite person on this board? MGov

12.  Who you do you dislike the most? No Comment.

Now, Laurie. Please point out any post in which I degrade women or even talk about submission. Thanks!
- Matt

[MGov]

Looks like fun; thought I'd try it too.
1. How old are you?  45
2. Where are you right now? In front of my home computer.
3. What are you listening to? The sound of my hard disk spinning.
4.  How would you describe your personality? Now that's a good question, you'll have to ask my kids.
5. What do you like best about your locale? Convenient access to school, shops, saints...
6.  What do you like the least? It's too humid here.
7.  If you are a woman, what's the manliest thing about you. If you are a man, what's the girliest thing about you? I enjoy watching the hockey playoffs.
8.  What are some personal interests you have? Reading, music, good movies
9. What was the last movie you saw in the theater and did you like it? LOTR - Two Towers. Yes.
10. What was the funniest joke you heard today?  somebody has a SARSAT (sattellite)