Protest Warrior

[Arthur]

Ok, sorry for being a little patronizing (or pattonizing?
I must say that I don't really trust governments because...well, they are run by people.  And we know what happens when people get power.

But in answer to your question: "...then why hasn't Bush turned it over to the U.N.?"
I would say two reasons.  

1.  The UN was opposed to the US going into Iraq.  Now that the US has quickly gotten the victory, the UN has NO BUSINESS thinking they can just waltz in and share in the kudos.  I'd say since the US pay the sweat and blood, they should call the shots.  The UN can keep their noses out of it, just like they did b/f the war began.  
2.  You can't trust the UN.  They are corrupt to the hilt.

Oh by the way do you realize that under Saddams government women had the right to wear western clothing?  Get an education?  Hold down a job?  A tremendous contrast to the nations around Iraq. It doesn't justify the wrongs he did I just think its interesting.

If you read the articles about what went on over there, I don't think you'd find it interesting.  Things like that aren't interesting when Hitler is in power and your neighbors get taken in the night by secret police so that they can collect 10 bucks for bringing them in and 40 bucks for a confession.

America being an imperial power. Interesting.  Maybe it will happen, who knows.  I doubt it. Even it did happen, it would fall.  There always is a rise and a fall.  It looks to me like it's rather on the fall--no more gold standard, slaughter of the innocents (abortion) and homosexuality is openly embraced and practised.  Looks like a Sodom-like judgement is due.  Yet there are still people who pray in the country so I guess that is staying God's hand.
"What if there are 10 righteous Lord?  Far be it from you to sweep away the righteous with the unrighteous."

[Joe Sperling]

Perhaps you may not remember this, but when Reagan was President a guy named Khaddafy was spear-heading terrorism around the world and threatening us to "cross this line in the sand". Reagan sent jets and bombers(France at that time also was agaisnt this and would not
let us use their airspace for the flight). We bombed Libya and actually hit Khaddafy's palace.

"Oh---how could the U.S.A> do this? It's horrendous!!" yelled the anti-war(anti-any use of force) element. But you know what? We never heard from Khaddafy again. Libya is still suspected of sponsoring terror in an uderground manner, but we literally shut Khaddafy up and stopped him in his tracks. He literally had the daylights scared out of him.

Sometimes you have to do this---and it had to be done in Iraq too.


--Joe

[Arthur]

You know, I heard that the CIA hooked Khaddafy up with a nice little bungalow and whatever else he wanted for life on the condition that he'd behave.    

[David Mauldin]

Let me get this right, Basicly you admit the world sucks!  
And our form of government is only the lesser of evils.. Is this because you believe in a hope- so-some-day-heaven?  Where people who are homosexual are not?


    PLEASE, PLEASE, GET UP OFF YOU KNEES!

                                                      BONO

[Arthur]

Um, not sure exactly what you are saying.  Yes the world is not a nice place because the hearts of men are evil.  As for governments, "the powers that be are of God."  If I'm reading it correctly, God gives laws and structure to our society so that we may live peaceable lives.  But of course, fallible men are there in the goverments and so there will always be corruption.  Also, Satan has some pull too for the time being.
As for homosexuals--yeah they'll be there if they repent of their homosexuality and humbly put their trust in Jesus instead.  But then I guess you wouldn't call such a person a homosexual anymore.  Such a one is born again and a new creation in Christ Jesus, no longer bent on such perversion.

I don't think I want to know who Bono is.

[Mark C.]

Hi Everyone!
  There are two things we are told never to discuss and that is religion and politics.  It appears we have successfully recovered from being oversubmissive victims as we refuse to take that advice and devote an entire thread to the politics of the war!
  Okay, just to show I can have a political opinion too I will answer some of David's liberal protest. (This will also demonstrate my great courage, for I must join the pro-war crowd against David .
   We did not put Saddam in power he was put in power via the Baath party that came from Syria.  This party, and his regime, were a socialist party that had close ties to the former and present Soviet Union.
  We did support Saddam in his war against Iran, the same way we supported Stalin against Nazi Germany in WW 2.  This does not mean we supported the Iraqi govt. anymore than the Soviet govt. of Stalin.
   France built a nuclear reactor for Saddam (which Israel took out--praise God!), Germany built the bunkers etc., the tanks/planes/weapons of Iraq were from Russia.  These countries were the real supporters of Iraq and the ones' trying to prop up the Saddam regime.
   Saddam owed billions to the govt's above and with Saddam's departure they will never see their cash.
   We don't need Iraqi oil and the war was certainly not about that.  If we wanted it they would have sold us all we wanted.  We are spending billions to rebuild the country and to give the wealth from oil back to the people there.  Much, much cheaper to just do business with Saddam without removing him.        
  In Europe and Japan after WW 2 we demonstrated the same gracious and magnanimous rebuilding effort toward those who had just tried to destroy us.  Truly the USA is unique in it's attitude toward it's enemies in the annals of history.
                      God Bless,  Mark

[Joe Sperling]

Arthur---

Bono is the singer for U2.  I believe what he was
really saying though with "please, please, get off
of your knees" is to not worship HIM. I could be
wrong though.

--Joe

[Arthur]

Oh, ok, well that's not so bad

[al Hartman]

     It never ceases to amaze me the way a thread like this can remain dormant for over a month, and then one little post can bring on a hailstorm of posts that takes me half the evening to get through!  (OK-- YOU can do it in five minutes...  but i'm a slow reader).
     But it surely is interesting.

     David, you'll never convince me that you don't miss the fellowhip of the saints and want to be convinced once again to follow Christ.  Else why would you keep coming back here with posts guaranteed to be opposed, when you could take your opinions to BBs that would agree with you?
     If you say that you do it out of concern for us & to lead us from the error of our ways, i say that such a caring comes from the love of God that is in your heart through the presence of Jesus Christ.  You're just misdirecting it, pending your getting straightened out with him.

     Sorry, Brother, but if you're going to hang out here, you'll have to put up with the likes of me...  i love you too much to give up on you!

al Hartman

[MGov]

The Americans are the 'designated' police-men of the world.
Saudi Arabia sought the help of the Americans which resulted in Operation Desert Storm (ODS).

Bush is a man of God, though he is not infallible, and he has to trust the people he delegates to.

What benefits the Americans benefits the world.

Mark C that was an excellent summary; I agree.

Al, you're on the wrong thread.  

David M  I agree with Al even though he is on the wrong thread.

Lord bless,
M