Assemblies Continuing to Meet is a Horrible Thing For the Children

[Bluejay]

I received an email today from Rick Ross who said that Tim Geftakys has now tried to" jump in and keep things going".  For those who have never been on his site, many of the articles concerning the Geftakys ministry are dead on and well worth taking a look at. I also read something a while back that said the Omaha Assembly was going to take sometime off and then meet at the beginning of May to determine what to do about their future.  While studying various posts, it seems that numerous assemblies at various locations once affiliated with the Geftakys group are either still meeting or once again trying to figure out what direction to go.

From my end, I know that I have came across as sarcastic, condascening and rude.   Although I do have some extremely harsh feelings (well deserved) for some of the former assembly leadership both in Omaha and in Fullerton, I truly am not an angry individual.  I just think I have a responsibility after being an innocent victim of this ministry to make sure that these men are not in a position to hurt any more people.  Many of my posts have been targeted for the guests who are visiting this system in an attempt to stir people up.  With that being said, for whatever reason, the fact that Tim Geftakys is apparently trying to jump back in and save this sinking ship and that different assemblies are even considering meeting makes me angry and sick to my stomach.

First off, all we ever heard about was how we were in this ministry because we had been called to this "special and divine" ministry.  We weren't like the churches of this world who were "on the fence" or who had conformed "to the ways of this world".  Unsaid but well known was that we had a leader in George Geftakys, who was our direct liason between the assemblies and God himself.  I could go on forever, but the bottom line is this:

All lies, All lies and All Lies!

First off, now that George's "ministry"  has been exposed, how can people even consider attending something he built up.  People need to go else where where there is true direction.   It should be obvious to people at this point that this ministry was never about God...Therefore, any appointments (leading brothers, workers, elders, etc.) made by George were just that...Appointments made by George and therefore 100% meaningless.  These appointments were nothing about God.  To take this a step further, how on earth any leading brothers see themself fit to lead at this point is beyond me.  These people were trained directly by George...They are the ones who first and foremost need the deepest of counseling.

Adults out there...For the sake of your children, flee this ministry.  Keep these sadistic men away from your children.  Their child training and child rearing techniques are just plain wrong and borderline abusive.  Above and beyond this the philosphies of this ministry will leave your children flat out damaged for years to come.  Your children only have one childhood.  There are no mulligans.  Involve your children in a church that will not harm them or cause them to have a hatred for anything that has to do with God or religion.

My question to Tim Geftakys is this...Why have we former assemblyites who are on this board heard nothing from you.  No doubt you are one of the guests who gets on regularly.    Would it be that difficult to give an explanation as to why you see fit to continue this ministry???  Bottom line is this...If your last name wasn't Geftakys, you wouldn't have ever been in your position anyway.   Whats the matter Tim??? Now that people are able to openly question your motives without fear of backlash, why have you gone and hid like a three year old???  

[editor]

Hi Bluejay

Not to take anything away from your post, but it has been common knowledge for sometime that Tim has signed on as the new leader for the Geftakys ministry.  

I wrote most of the stuff on RickRoss.com, and edited most of the other pieces that I did not pen myself.  Thank you for the compliment!  

Keep in mind the fact that Tim was in tight with the San Diego crew, and most of the other groups, especially West LA.  He is going to try as hard as he can to get things going again.  Look at it this way, if you could have 10 percent of 10 of your friends salaries, would you need to work?

Tim hasn't worked in a long time, and I can understand why he doesn't want to now.  All of the defense of the Assembly that has been going on lately can be traced back to Tim and his good buddies.

However, do not fear!  I am on record many months ago, predicting spectacular failure and judgement on Tim when he actively assumes the mantle of christian leadership.  Beware Tim.

Also, those of you who are his good friends, or were his good friends, Dave Lee, Bill Bradbury, Carlos DeLeon, Dave Zach, and others, warn your friend.  He is going to be in serious trouble.

Brent

[Bluejay]

I am shocked.  I thought he was simply preaching here and there (and thats bad enough)...I had no idea he had signed on as new leader for the Geftakys ministry.

The cover ups in the Geftakys ministry make Watergate look like Little League.

 The fact that Tim does not want to work is just sheer laziness and totally unnaceptable...Although I would love to see the expression on a potential employers face when he saw Tim Geftakys' resume.

Brent....Tim already has failed spectaculary.  What has his life on this earth brought to the table???  His life is just one big failure.  The bottom line is that he sat on the sidelines while relatives of his were getting beat up and was a huge reason why their was so much abuse in this ministry.

All of those other losers you mentioned who are his friends really need to take a look in the mirror and figure out what their agenda truly is.

[David Mauldin]

I recently saw Tim and John Keyho? They were maning a booth at the Farmer Market  "BIBLE STUDY" Common guys thats a dead giveaway!

[Matt]

Hi Bluejay

Not to take anything away from your post, but it has been common knowledge for sometime that Tim has signed on as the new leader for the Geftakys ministry.  

I wrote most of the stuff on RickRoss.com, and edited most of the other pieces that I did not pen myself.  Thank you for the compliment!  

Keep in mind the fact that Tim was in tight with the San Diego crew, and most of the other groups, especially West LA.  He is going to try as hard as he can to get things going again.  Look at it this way, if you could have 10 percent of 10 of your friends salaries, would you need to work?

Tim hasn't worked in a long time, and I can understand why he doesn't want to now.  All of the defense of the Assembly that has been going on lately can be traced back to Tim and his good buddies.

However, do not fear!  I am on record many months ago, predicting spectacular failure and judgement on Tim when he actively assumes the mantle of christian leadership.  Beware Tim.

Also, those of you who are his good friends, or were his good friends, Dave Lee, Bill Bradbury, Carlos DeLeon, Dave Zach, and others, warn your friend.  He is going to be in serious trouble.

Brent

Brent,
How funny! Tim Geftakys didn't even know that he was still trying to rebuild the assembly - and yet, somehow you did! Tell me where you got these omniscient powers. To set the record straight, Tim G. said on Friday night that he had initially tried to save the assembly system, but he is no longer trying - it is too far gone. I guess then it would be libel for you to say otherwise? Brent, be careful. Bearing false witness is a sin - that's the devil working in you. Everyone else, the things that come out of Brent's mouth are NOT the Gospel truth. Brent, when I was upset with Dave Lee, I didn't see how diabolical it was that you were encouraging and trying to stir up those feelings in me. I can see it now and it has opened my eyes to the purpose of the site you created. Rather than demanding everyone else repent, I'd like to see you repent for slandering Tim G's name in this post, and for promoting anger and hatred with your website.
- Matt

[editor]

Brent,
How funny! Tim Geftakys didn't even know that he was still trying to rebuild the assembly - and yet, somehow you did! Tell me where you got these omniscient powers. To set the record straight, Tim G. said on Friday night that he had initially tried to save the assembly system, but he is no longer trying - it is too far gone. I guess then it would be libel for you to say otherwise? Brent, be careful. Bearing false witness is a sin - that's the devil working in you. Everyone else, the things that come out of Brent's mouth are NOT the Gospel truth. Brent, when I was upset with Dave Lee, I didn't see how diabolical it was that you were encouraging and trying to stir up those feelings in me. I can see it now and it has opened my eyes to the purpose of the site you created. Rather than demanding everyone else repent, I'd like to see you repent for slandering Tim G's name in this post, and for promoting anger and hatred with your website.
- Matt

Hi Matt

Thanks for the post.  I agree with you, not everything that comes out of my mouth is the gospel truth.  People, take notice.  If, previous to Matt blowing my cover, you were following me, and hanging on my every word, listen to what Matt says.  I do confess that I am not omniscient, don't listen to everything I say.  Think about what I say and reject the false.  I implore you, please do not confuse me with God.  I make mistakes.  I'll do my best to correct my mistakes when I become aware of them.

As for Tim G.  When did you see him Matt?  Last week?  At Dave Lee's house?  Isn't Dave Lee the guy who leads the bible study you go to?  Don't you guys sing from Hymns and Spiritual songs etc?  Hmmm, what was Tim doing down there, I wonder.  I may not have all my facts correct, so please fill me in.

Now, you ascribe to me a diabolical nature.  At first, when I read this, I thought, "Wow, that's kind of rude."  I know you are not a rude person, so I immediately recognized that you are only kidding.  You don't really think I was being diabolical,  you're just joshing me.

Shall I make public the email you sent to me, and my response back to you on the BB?  Please note, I have never met Matt.  He contacted me of his own accord, without solicitation.  What do you say Matt, shall I publish your email to me, and my response back to you?  Then my diabolical   nature can be publicly aired out, and I can be entreated by all of you.  Again, that's the way to do things around here.  Public slander demands a public apology, and if I have been diabolical towards you, I will expose it, and correct it.  Fair enough?

As far as slandering Tim Geftakys, rubbish.  Slander is saying something false about a person, in order to damage their reputation.  I have not said anything false about Timothy, ever.  Also, he has damaged his own reputation quite nicely without my help.  In fact, I have not told half of what I know about him.

You know Matt, people were calling me the devil back when I was doing diabolical things like saying the David G. was beating his wife, and that the Assembly was exclusive.  It turns out that I was telling the truth, which is hardly diabolical.

So, let's see if I understand this.  Tim G. is in San Diego, where Dave Lee has a bible study.  Tim and Dave are good buddies.  Dave's Bible study is identical to an Assembly Bible study, with the same people attending.  Tim used to preach at this same Bible study, and now he is back down there?  

I wonder what he is up to?    I base what I say on my own eyes and ears, and the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses.  Matt's witness makes what I said below seem pretty accurate, don't you think?

1 Cor 13:5  Love does not behave rudely......
Brent

[Matt]

As for Tim G.  When did you see him Matt?  Last week?  At Dave Lee's house?  Isn't Dave Lee the guy who leads the bible study you go to?  Don't you guys sing from Hymns and Spiritual songs etc?  Hmmm, what was Tim doing down there, I wonder.  I may not have all my facts correct, so please fill me in.

oh my GOODNESS (starts biting nails)...you are right. we DO sing from Hymns and Spiritual Songs. If that isn't evidence that we are trying to rebuild the assembly, then I don't know what is. Yes, Dave Lee and Ken Willadsen take turns leading the Bible study (neither of whom are involved in an assembly). And let's see...Tim G. came down to eat dinner on Friday night with one ex-assemblyite...yes..I wonder too. What does that mean? Is he coming down here to rebuild the assemblies? Or to eat dinner with one of his friends?

[quote author=B. Tr0ckman link=board=6;threadid=402;start=0#9594 date=1052792485
Now, you ascribe to me a diabolical nature.  At first, when I read this, I thought, "Wow, that's kind of rude."  I know you are not a rude person, so I immediately recognized that you are only kidding.  You don't really think I was being diabolical,  you're just joshing me.

I think the nature of your website was somewhat diabolical in nature, yes. It included many one-sided articles about people being wronged in the ministry and as such promoted wrath, bitterness, anger, etc, as can be found on many of these threads today. Everyone is diabolical sometimes, Brent. God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

[quote author=B. Tr0ckman link=board=6;threadid=402;start=0#9594 date=1052792485
Shall I make public the email you sent to me, and my response back to you on the BB?  Please note, I have never met Matt.  He contacted me of his own accord, without solicitation.  What do you say Matt, shall I publish your email to me, and my response back to you?  Then my diabolical   nature can be publicly aired out, and I can be entreated by all of you.  Again, that's the way to do things around here.  Public slander demands a public apology, and if I have been diabolical towards you, I will expose it, and correct it.  Fair enough?

Uh...NO. I was deceived into thinking I was a victim when I first emailed you. I was bitter, angry, full of wrath, etc. The Lord opened my eyes to that since then, and I have realized that I need to love my leading brothers for the many ways they served me. I recall writing to you something about Dave Lee wronging me, and Dave Lee was not a leading brother. He has repented, I have repented for wronging him. I do regret posting part of what you said in the email, maybe you are in a different state of mind sicne then too? Forgivest thou?

[quote author=B. Tr0ckman link=board=6;threadid=402;start=0#9594 date=1052792485
As far as slandering Tim Geftakys, rubbish.  Slander is saying something false about a person, in order to damage their reputation.  I have not said anything false about Timothy, ever.  Also, he has damaged his own reputation quite nicely without my help.  In fact, I have not told half of what I know about him.

What are you talking about?! You just slandered him on this thread! You said that Tim G. is still trying to rebuild the assemblies while Tim G said that he initially had tried and is no longer trying. (ie. you said a false thing about him.) Just admit it and move on.

[quote author=B. Tr0ckman link=board=6;threadid=402;start=0#9594 date=1052792485
You know Matt, people were calling me the devil back when I was doing diabolical things like saying the David G. was beating his wife, and that the Assembly was exclusive.  It turns out that I was telling the truth, which is hardly diabolical.

And I have never defended David G. I pray for that woman all the time. I'm not defending David G or George G. I'm defending the leading brothers who have been branded as "responsible" for the hurting of the sheep after the downfall of the assemblies.

[quote author=B. Tr0ckman link=board=6;threadid=402;start=0#9594 date=1052792485
So, let's see if I understand this.  Tim G. is in San Diego, where Dave Lee has a bible study.  Tim and Dave are good buddies.  Dave's Bible study is identical to an Assembly Bible study, with the same people attending.  Tim used to preach at this same Bible study, and now he is back down there?  

I wonder what he is up to?    I base what I say on my own eyes and ears, and the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses.  Matt's witness makes what I said below seem pretty accurate, don't you think?

1 Cor 13:5  Love does not behave rudely......
Brent

Oh my GOODNESS! The assumptions are OUT OF CONTROL! Really, that is bordering on paranoia. Tim G. came down to dinner one night last week, and now he is "in San Diego" even though it's Monday. Whom he is staying with, I don't know. Tim G. never preached at this Bible Study by the way (another mis-fact of yours). He taught the one on campus, not the one at Lee's house. And for it to be an "assembly Bible study," I'd say that at least ONE person attending has to be a member of an assembly (and none are.) You have to have more facts, brent, before you come to a justifiable conclusion about the events going on currently in SD.

[MGov]

Brent,
How funny! Tim Geftakys didn't even know that he was still trying to rebuild the assembly - and yet, somehow you did! Tell me where you got these omniscient powers. To set the record straight, Tim G. said on Friday night that he had initially tried to save the assembly system, but he is no longer trying - it is too far gone. I guess then it would be libel for you to say otherwise? Brent, be careful. Bearing false witness is a sin - that's the devil working in you. Everyone else, the things that come out of Brent's mouth are NOT the Gospel truth. Brent, when I was upset with Dave Lee, I didn't see how diabolical it was that you were encouraging and trying to stir up those feelings in me. I can see it now and it has opened my eyes to the purpose of the site you created. Rather than demanding everyone else repent, I'd like to see you repent for slandering Tim G's name in this post, and for promoting anger and hatred with your website.
- Matt

Brent,

Do you have any reason to doubt what I have highlighted in Matt's post above?  I am on this BB to learn; so it would make it easier if I/we did not have to sift through 'conclusions' that are based on hearsay.

M

[Matt]

Sorry, quote's are all messed up"

Brent said:
As for Tim G.  When did you see him Matt?  Last week?  At Dave Lee's house?  Isn't Dave Lee the guy who leads the bible study you go to?  Don't you guys sing from Hymns and Spiritual songs etc?  Hmmm, what was Tim doing down there, I wonder.  I may not have all my facts correct, so please fill me in.

I say:
oh my GOODNESS (starts biting nails)...you are right. we DO sing from Hymns and Spiritual Songs. If that isn't evidence that we are trying to rebuild the assembly, then I don't know what is. Yes, Dave Lee and Ken Willadsen take turns leading the Bible study (neither of whom are involved in an assembly). And let's see...Tim G. came down to eat dinner on Friday night with one ex-assemblyite...yes..I wonder too. What does that mean? Is he coming down here to rebuild the assemblies? Or to eat dinner with one of his friends?

Brent said:
Now, you ascribe to me a diabolical nature.  At first, when I read this, I thought, "Wow, that's kind of rude."  I know you are not a rude person, so I immediately recognized that you are only kidding.  You don't really think I was being diabolical,  you're just joshing me.

I say:

I think the nature of your website was somewhat diabolical in nature, yes. It included many one-sided articles about people being wronged in the ministry and as such promoted wrath, bitterness, anger, etc, as can be found on many of these threads today. Everyone is diabolical sometimes, Brent. God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

Brent said:
Shall I make public the email you sent to me, and my response back to you on the BB?  Please note, I have never met Matt.  He contacted me of his own accord, without solicitation.  What do you say Matt, shall I publish your email to me, and my response back to you?  Then my diabolical   nature can be publicly aired out, and I can be entreated by all of you.  Again, that's the way to do things around here.  Public slander demands a public apology, and if I have been diabolical towards you, I will expose it, and correct it.  Fair enough?

I said:

Uh...NO. I was deceived into thinking I was a victim when I first emailed you. I was bitter, angry, full of wrath, etc. The Lord opened my eyes to that since then, and I have realized that I need to love my leading brothers for the many ways they served me. I recall writing to you something about Dave Lee wronging me, and Dave Lee was not a leading brother. He has repented, I have repented for wronging him. I do regret posting part of what you said in the email, maybe you are in a different state of mind sicne then too? Forgivest thou?

Brent said:
As far as slandering Tim Geftakys, rubbish.  Slander is saying something false about a person, in order to damage their reputation.  I have not said anything false about Timothy, ever.  Also, he has damaged his own reputation quite nicely without my help.  In fact, I have not told half of what I know about him.

I said:
What are you talking about?! You just slandered him on this thread! You said that Tim G. is still trying to rebuild the assemblies while Tim G said that he initially had tried and is no longer trying. (ie. you said a false thing about him.) Just admit it and move on.

Brent said:
You know Matt, people were calling me the devil back when I was doing diabolical things like saying the David G. was beating his wife, and that the Assembly was exclusive.  It turns out that I was telling the truth, which is hardly diabolical.

I said:
And I have never defended David G. I pray for that woman all the time. I'm not defending David G or George G. I'm defending the leading brothers who have been branded as "responsible" for the hurting of the sheep after the downfall of the assemblies.

Brent said:
So, let's see if I understand this.  Tim G. is in San Diego, where Dave Lee has a bible study.  Tim and Dave are good buddies.  Dave's Bible study is identical to an Assembly Bible study, with the same people attending.  Tim used to preach at this same Bible study, and now he is back down there?  

I wonder what he is up to?    I base what I say on my own eyes and ears, and the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses.  Matt's witness makes what I said below seem pretty accurate, don't you think?

1 Cor 13:5  Love does not behave rudely......
Brent


Oh my GOODNESS! The assumptions are OUT OF CONTROL! Really, that is bordering on paranoia. Tim G. came down to dinner one night last week, and now he is "in San Diego" even though it's Monday. Whom he is staying with, I don't know. Tim G. never preached at this Bible Study by the way (another mis-fact of yours). He taught the one on campus, not the one at Lee's house. And for it to be an "assembly Bible study," I'd say that at least ONE person attending has to be a member of an assembly (and none are.) You have to have more facts, brent, before you come to a justifiable conclusion about the events going on currently in SD.

[editor]

Hi Matt

If you read carefully, you will see that I never said I had all the facts.  I asked you to fill me in:

As for Tim G.  When did you see him Matt?  Last week?  At Dave Lee's house?  Isn't Dave Lee the guy who leads the bible study you go to?  Don't you guys sing from Hymns and Spiritual songs etc?  Hmmm, what was Tim doing down there, I wonder.  I may not have all my facts correct, so please fill me in.

You said this:

Tim G. never preached at this Bible Study by the way (another mis-fact of yours). He taught the one on campus, not the one at Lee's house. And for it to be an "assembly Bible study," I'd say that at least ONE person attending has to be a member of an assembly (and none are.) You have to have more facts, brent, before you come to a justifiable conclusion about the events going on currently in SD.

 I see, Tim preached at the campus Bible study.  That clears things up.l  The campus Bible study is an outreach, not an Assembly Bible study.

Also Matt, I do not repent of one word I said to you in our correspondence.  When I re-read it a minute ago, I was quite gracious with you.  Apparently you have repented of what you wrote in your mail to me.  That is your right.

Shall I publish our correspondence in order to clear my name from your diabolical label?

brent

[editor]

Brent,

Do you have any reason to doubt what I have highlighted in Matt's post above?  I am on this BB to learn; so it would make it easier if I/we did not have to sift through 'conclusions' that are based on hearsay.

M

Yes, I have good reason to doubt what you highlighted above.  I have heard from several people that Tim is clearly leading the new Assemlby in Fullerton.  They are outreaching, booktableing, etc.  In other words, they are trying to put the pieces back together.  I know Tim far better than Matt.  I was very close to him for years, and gave him LOTS of money.  I know far more than a thing or two, and I never, ever fire all my bullets.  I don't bluff either.

Tim Geftkays is trying to rebuild the Assembly.  Guaranteed.

Brent

[Matt]

Also Matt, I do not repent of one word I said to you in our correspondence.  When I re-read it a minute ago, I was quite gracious with you.  Apparently you have repented of what you wrote in your mail to me.  That is your right.

Shall I publish our correspondence in order to clear my name from your diabolical label?

brent

Actually, I didn't ask you to repent for what you said to me in the email. I said you should repent for promoting bitterness, anger, and wrath with your website. I do repent saying that I think you were diabolical for your email, so I do not want for you to publish that. There has been enough horrible stuff about saints said - I'm not a victim. As for my quotes and your quotes, I see you got them mis-matched:

In reality you said this:
"So, let's see if I understand this.  Tim G. is in San Diego, where Dave Lee has a bible study.  Tim and Dave are good buddies.  Dave's Bible study is identical to an Assembly Bible study, with the same people attending.  Tim used to preach at this same Bible study, and now he is back down there?"

Here you assert that Tim used to preach at Dave Lee's "assembly Bible study," but you are asking if he is back down here because once he went out to dinner with Dave Lee.

Here was my reply:
"Oh my GOODNESS! The assumptions are OUT OF CONTROL! Really, that is bordering on paranoia. Tim G. came down to dinner one night last week, and now he is "in San Diego" even though it's Monday. Whom he is staying with, I don't know. Tim G. never preached at this Bible Study by the way (another mis-fact of yours). He taught the one on campus, not the one at Lee's house. And for it to be an "assembly Bible study," I'd say that at least ONE person attending has to be a member of an assembly (and none are.) You have to have more facts, brent, before you come to a justifiable conclusion about the events going on currently in SD."

Now, brent, question for you. Do you think I'm lying when I said that Tim G. said he is no longer trying to rebuild the ministry, or do you think he was lying when he said it? What would be his purpose in saying that he was no longer trying to rebuild the assemblies if he really was? Dave Lee believes Tim G. Why is Dave's discernment not as good as yours?

[MGov]

Matt said to Brent:
... I said you should repent for promoting bitterness, anger, and wrath with your website.

Matt I disagree with this statement as I believe that there is a place for exposing sin and error.  On many occasions the Lord Jesus Himself rebuked the 'leaders' (scribes and Pharisees) for their hypocrisy.  All of what's on the website may not be 100% accurate, but Brent is willing to change that which is discovered to be erroneous.

Those of us that cannot handle a little bit (or even a lot of) 'stone throwing' and exposure are not humble in our attitudes.  We ought to be willing to see 'the error of our ways' and repent from it.

In His love,
M

[MGov]

Yes, I have good reason to doubt what you highlighted above.  I have heard from several people that Tim is clearly leading the new Assemlby in Fullerton.  They are outreaching, booktableing, etc.  In other words, they are trying to put the pieces back together.  I know Tim far better than Matt.  I was very close to him for years, and gave him LOTS of money.  I know far more than a thing or two, and I never, ever fire all my bullets.  I don't bluff either.

Tim Geftkays is trying to rebuild the Assembly.  Guaranteed.

Brent

Brent,

What you have heard is probably accurate, but it is possible that as of last Friday things have changed.  I have no first-hand information on this myself.  All I know is what I have learned from this BB.

M

[editor]

Brent,

What you have heard is probably accurate, but it is possible that as of last Friday things have changed.  I have no first-hand information on this myself.  All I know is what I have learned from this BB.

M

Yes, what I heard is accurate.  It is possible that Tim G is only preaching the Bible study in San Diego to be a blessing.  However, this possibility flies in the face of history, and the concept of repentance and humility.  Tim knew about his brother's violence and did nothing.  Don't you think he should take a little time off before leading and teaching again?

"This time, it will be different."  That's what the gambler said when he bet the last dollar of his fortune.  Some people never learn.

Brent