The Robinsons have hurt the flock

[editor]

I thought I would private message everyone on the board.

I think what we have in this thread is an attempt to slander and silence a guy named Tony Edwards, who has the nasty habit of telling the truth in St. Louis.  

Why did one of the kids (probably didn't know any better) spend a post bringing up his name, when lil sis didn't even mention him?

I think we need to hear from Tony.  At first, the name didn't ring a bell, but then when I heard he was blind, I remembered him, because he came out to CA to get a dog.

I searched my email (about 10,000) and found a bunch from him.   He was so kind and gracious the way he spoke about the leadership on STL.   I wonder if he freaked out, or something?

Whatever he is saying, it reminds me of what people said about me when I "slandered" George and David.  I told the truth, but these snakes screamed "liar!"

Tony, public message us!

[vernecarty]

I thought I would private message everyone on the board.

I think what we have in this thread is an attempt to slander and silence a guy named Tony Edwards, who has the nasty habit of telling the truth in St. Louis.  

Why did one of the kids (probably didn't know any better) spend a post bringing up his name, when lil sis didn't even mention him?

I think we need to hear from Tony.  At first, the name didn't ring a bell, but then when I heard he was blind, I remembered him, because he came out to CA to get a dog.

I searched my email (about 10,000) and found a bunch from him.   He was so kind and gracious the way he spoke about the leadership on STL.   I wonder if he freaked out, or something?

Whatever he is saying, it reminds me of what people said about me when I "slandered" George and David.  I told the truth, but these snakes screamed "liar!"

Tony, public message us!

I received a couple of e-mails from Tony. The one item of interest he mentioned, the writing of the letter, I was able to subsequently confirm. Ad hominem attacks are indeed troubling. We should respond only to what is actually said!
Verne

[Daniel Teater]

Actually Brent none of us are little kids. We all stand over 6'3 and are down right proud of it. (Luke is 6'10, Mark 6'5. I'm 6'3 and Paul is too.) In regards to my comments about Tony and the reasoning behind why I chose to use this thread were as follows:

    For a long time I have watched as private message after private message came from Tony Edwards that contained information that was highly questionable i.e. Paul was kicked out for homosexual tendencies, and many more. There aim was not merely to expose the "leading brothers," but rather a personal vendetta aganist the Robinsons.  This has gone on for quite awhile and needed to be addressed.  What better time to do it then on a thread addressed to the very people he particularly angry with: the Robinsons.

 I am amazed that Verne and Brent seem to possess such great knowledge as to the events that transpired in St. Louis.  For being so far away you certainly have formed a healthy set ideas in light of what went down here.  Please  do not falsely assume based on faulty logic and one-sided stories. It disturbs me greatly to watch (especially you Brent) play the role of savior while you merely exacerbate the situation with your psychoanalysis.

However, right now I think what would be best is if this thread closed and I stop talking about Tony Edwards and talk to him personally.  Tony if you read this I would like to get together with you sometime, and first and foremost see that reconciliation takes place.  You are my brother in Christ and I always respected you and enjoyed talking to you. I will try and give you a call this week so we can put an end to this charade.  To any and all St. Louis people that read this:  Let's stop wasting our time on this BB and invest it in relationships with each other.  

[vernecarty]

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 I am amazed that Verne and Brent seem to possess such great knowledge as to the events that transpired in St. Louis.  For being so far away you certainly have formed a healthy set ideas in light of what went down here.  Please  do not falsely assume based on faulty logic and one-sided stories. It disturbs me greatly to watch (especially you Brent) play the role of savior while you merely exacerbate the situation with your psychoanalysis.

A reasonable concern Daniel. I try not to comment publicly on matters of which I have no knowledge. I also try not to needlessly name names when  it is not germane to the larger principle under consideration. I have been very general and fairly consistent in my fundamental thesis that Shepherds are responsible for the flock, including those in who served in St. Louis. If anything I have said does not comport with the facts as you know them, point them out and I will make corrections.
Verne

[Libby Birdwell]

To any and all St. Louis people that read this:  Let's stop wasting our time on this BB and invest it in relationships with each other.  

Dear Daniel,  I am writing to respond to your very  last statement,only. I agree in part. I agree 100% that, I have, in the last few days, after being notified of a personal attack on the Robinsons, spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this BB. I had not read anything here in months.   I agree 100% that I need to spend my time in St Louis building relationships with people I can trust.  HOWEVER, I would like to point out that if this BB stops before the (former) sister in St. louis comes forward,  EVERYONE, here there and everywhere, (in my opinion) who has read this BB will continue to play "name that sister". If, she did not realize that a personal attack on the Robinson family would hurt so many people, she surely does "not realize" the damage she has done to ALL the sisters in St. Louis. There are many events coming up where we will all be together. I AM NOT the "sister in St Louis". I do not want to go to the various events where people will be asking themselves, "Is she the sister?"  If she(former sister) thinks that the Robinsons attendance at the up coming wedding would dampen spirits, what about ALL the sisters that will be thought of as possible candidates for being "the" sister in St. Louis? So, it seems only fair, that the (former) sister in St. Louis come forward and apologize to ALL the sisters that have been effected by her anonimity. Therefore I would hate to see this "end" with the question still out there, "who is the sister in St Louis?"

I hesitate to post, and have never done so before, due to fear of unintentionally saying something inflamatory or something that would offend. If I have done so, I apologize in advance. I simply think that this sister needs to see she is continuing to do damage to other sisters, unless and until she comes forward.
-Libby Birdwell-  

[editor]

Actually Brent none of us are little kids. We all stand over 6'3 and are down right proud of it. (Luke is 6'10, Mark 6'5. I'm 6'3 and Paul is too.) In regards to my comments about Tony and the reasoning behind why I chose to use this thread were as follows:    

My apologies.  I didn't know you were all related, and I was under the impression that you were kids.  So, you are adults then?

For a long time I have watched as private message after private message came from Tony Edwards that contained information that was highly questionable i.e. Paul was kicked out for homosexual tendencies, and many more. There aim was not merely to expose the "leading brothers," but rather a personal vendetta aganist the Robinsons.  

I missed these private messages.  Which thread are they in, or are they public?

I am amazed that Verne and Brent seem to possess such great knowledge as to the events that transpired in St. Louis.  For being so far away you certainly have formed a healthy set ideas in light of what went down here.  Please  do not falsely assume based on faulty logic and one-sided stories. It disturbs me greatly to watch (especially you Brent) play the role of savior while you merely exacerbate the situation with your psychoanalysis.

I have a telephone, a mail box, and email.  I have found that if I communicate with people, I can learn things from them.  Examples would be, who said what at a meeting, who preached on what passage.  Letters written from one person to another, etc.  For instance, I received the excommunication letter before most Assemblies did.  I had ears in every gathering in the system for a while, with the one exception of Pasadena.  

I'm glad you like Tony so much.

Also, I'm not sorry that your families Assembly exploded.  I also won't take credit for it.  I'm sure you guys all played a part in it.

Brent

[editor]

I simply think that this sister needs to see she is continuing to do damage to other sisters, unless and until she comes forward.
-Libby Birdwell-  

Hi Libby.

I don't think the BB is going to stop soon.

Also, don't be too sure that this Sister in St. Louis, is a sister at all.  The IP's of all the people who post are visible to Admin.  It would be interesting to compare the IP's of about 8 people on this forum to that of STL sister.  

I can't see them, but there are people who can.  I wonder what would happen if we found out that STL Sister was actually someone's brother?

Brent

[Daniel Teater]

Brent,

The information that I obtained was not linked to any threads.  As I stated before they were private messages sent from Tony to numerous people on this board (PRIVATELY).  As stated before he will not post some of the things he has written due largely to the false information they contain.  All I ask is for the shroud of secery and deciet to stop.  

Libby,

I understand the predictament we face.  It will be difficult to attend various events now without everyone turning into a suspect, however I will talk to you later but now I have to run to work.

[MGov]

I suggest that you resolve this problem in STL; talk to Tony etc. and then post the results for our benefit.
M

[editor]

The problem is being "solved" as I type.

I don't have all the facts yet, but I do have some, and let me say that there are going to be a few VERY embarrassed people.

I would suggest that whoever has been sharing Tony's PM's with people on this board should 'fess up pronto.  I heard from Tony today, and his adaptive software doesn't work very well on the BB, so he can't post.  The PM's are easier for some reason.

The truth about this is going to come out.  The choices are:

Will the people who did this confess, or will the story be told by others?  It is only a matter of time.  Sadly, I will be building boats for a Christian camp this weekend, so I won't be able to solve this dark, deceptive mess until Sunday or Monday.

From Daniel Teater:

As I stated before they were private messages sent from Tony to numerous people on this board (PRIVATELY).  As stated before he will not post some of the things he has written due largely to the false information they contain.  All I ask is for the shroud of secery and deciet to stop.  

Indeed?  Numerous=two people.  I know who they are.
Private=one of the two shared the private message with someone else.  Could this be ST. Louis sister's "other" identity?  I don't know, but we will find out.

Tony will not post, becasue he is blind and his adaptive software won't let him.  Perhaps you guys will continue to tell everyone what lies he is telling.

All I ask is for the shroud of secery and deciet to stop.  

Oh, it will stop.  Don't worry about that.  Would you like to be the one to stop it, or should I?

John 3:20  "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his  deeds  should be exposed.  21  "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his  deeds  may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

[vernecarty]

Oh, it will stop.  Don't worry about that.  Would you like to be the one to stop it, or should I?

Is that the rumbling of distant thunder I am hearing...?
Let me say something to all you former assembly folks (of whom I am one).
Your greatest danger is the tendency many of you have to ignore or minimise your serious spiritual injury sustained under the ministrations of George Geftakys.  Do you understand how much of your spiritual llfe has been bled away? You are in need, many of you, of a Great Physician!
Verne

[editor]

First, it was this:

And Daniel,
You like to slam everyone else for trying to hold the Robinsons accountable, but you don't say anything to Matt or Andrea Denner for defending them. Have you not been keeping up on this board? Matt has been trying to defend the leading brothers for months, can you imagine? He defends GG and that wife-beating son of his. How do you sleep at night, Matt? Eulaha and Verne didn't do any damage to Luke and Paul Robinson, by the way. They were loving them by correcting their hateful ways. If anyone has damaged anyone on this board, it's YOU Matt and Luke and Paul Robinson. And now we can add Daniel Teater to the list. Daniel, your cousins were always stuck-up and insulting, but I didn't know you were like that too! I'm so sad!

A sister in Saint Louis.

Then, she wrote this:

Eulaha,
I found your message to the Robinson boys inappropriate. You did not show them love in your post and they are going through a hard time. Let it be known that I did not agree with this woman (Eulaha).

In response to this?:

NO WONDER Luke and Paul post what they post. I had no idea they were LB kids!!!  That explains a lot of why they sometimes seems to support the Assembly's corrupt teachings!  I actually feel sorry for them now...

does anyone else find this interesting?  

Brent

[Matt]

Sister in STL,
I have never defended David G or GG on a personal level. Get the facts straight before you spout off your mouth. Tony if you are reading this, can you email me?  Thanks.
- Matt

[vernecarty]

Brent,

The information that I obtained was not linked to any threads.  As I stated before they were private messages sent from Tony to numerous people on this board (PRIVATELY).  

Does anyone else think it a breach of etiquette for private IMs to be bandied around without knowledge or consent of the sender? There is I think a presumption of confidentiality in these messages as one is often willing to express sentiments or views in confidence that my be inappropriate for public consumption. I am of the opinion that this mutual trust and respect ought to be guarded.
Verne

[MGov]

Does anyone else think it a breach of etiquette for private IMs to be banided around without knowledge or consent of the sender? There is I think a presumption of confidentiality in these messages as one is often willing to express sentiments or views in confidence that my be inappropriate for public consumption. I am of the opinion that this mutual trust and respect ought to be guarded.
Verne

Verne,

It all boils down to motivation.  The STL sister intended to slander Brent by publicly posting his PM.
Private sharing of PMs/emails may fall in the category of getting advice, or sharing news.
When I do not want my PM/email being posted publicly or shared with anyone else, I often state that in my PM/email.

M