I struggled with the information for three years because some of you were so eager to help Judy out when she already got financial help. I am not defending David or the Geftakys. My concern is that while some of you are so helpful to get a contribution together, would you had you known that they had already been helped out?
so what bothered you is that people were eager to help judy, despite the fact that judy was not eager to be helped. you were so bothered by their desire to help the woman who suffered for years under their very noses that you felt compelled to betray judy's confidence in you and share personal information you saw on her bank statement. and you decided to do this months after anyone has even mentioned helping judy out financially. i mean, it was a completely dead issue. so why now? there must be something that triggered this for you.
I knew about the money that Judy rec'd and didn't say anything while they were taking donations here in SLO for her. So for that much I am guilty of fleecing the sheep.
maybe, but in this case judy isn't. taking a collection was not her idea, it was a spontaneous response on the part of the slo assembly when they finally realized the full truth that had been partially hidden from them, and they felt pretty guilty about it, as far as i can tell. also the leadership had to do something, since many of them had known far more for much longer than the average assemblyite. yet their sorrow and expression of regret and support of judy as seen in giving financial donations really bothered you. why?
I am tired of keeping secrets for an evil family and guarding some "truth".
by "truth" you mean the contents of judy's personal accounts?
as for you Brian, David was willing to mail the money to Judy. You can confirm the information with some of the LB's here in SLO. David told many people that he offered to help her and he told many people about the stocks.
like i said, he would likely want everyone to know because it was a pr move. and if he told everyone, then how could it be such a big secret that you were struggling with for so long? did he tell them this after the collection or before? if he sent the stocks three years ago, and the collection for judy was taken this year, then people gave donations knowing she already got the stocks - yet their desire to help judy still bothers you. why?
you are letting your anger confuse your ability to understand what i'm writing. i never said you were a liar, nor did i question the fact that david sent her stocks or offered her money. but i find your antagonism towards judy and your willingness to assign pure motives to david both disturbing and suspect.
Really, isn't most of this about money?
not at all. for me it is mostly about betrayal.
Calling me names doesn't change the facts.
no it dosen't, but getting called names dosen't mean your conclusions are correct either, or that scott's are incorrect. personally i would love to see scott apologize for the namecalling and delete his post, because i find it pointlessly hurtful and distracting from the real issues.
I was not defending David, if we can be clear on that for starters.
well, ok, maybe you were not
intentionally defending david? maybe that just came out in what you were saying as a side effect, while your main point had something to do with irritation on your part that judy got money?
In comparison, at least David got a job while Tim does not.
see, this sounds defensive. before you said you
heard david got a job. are you quite sure he did? i know i for one am very curious as to what kind of a job he would take.
There is no degree of evil.
i disagree. i would call evil the range from dark grey to black. and i do think david is on the black end.
Unfortunately if it comes from David or GG or BG then one way or another it did come from the sheep.
maybe this is why she hasen't gone after the geftakys family fortune? i think far more than money judy just wants to be left alone. thats why i wasn't even going to respond to this when you first posted it, even though it really bothered me. i was hoping the topic would just fade away quietly.
I don't know what David's motivation were. Some of you seem to be much wiser than me and can tell.
its not a question of who is wiser than who. i just think it is really naive to ascribe pure motives to a man we now know has had devious motives for most of his life.
3) Why is it that when I stuck my neck out on information that Judy gave to me I had to in turn apologize because the information turned out to be false?
what information is this? the value of the stock? i really don't think that is the central issue in what any of us have been saying. at least it isn't with me.
Brian Tucker, since I don't know what David's motivation was I guess I do owe you an apology. Even though I had witnesses, it doesn't seem to matter much here.
i don't feel you owe me an apology for anything, but whatever it might be i forgive you. are you talking about witnesses to david's motives, or the stock thing?
i hope you won't hold a grudge against me for disgreeing with you so vehemently on this issue.
heide, you must have realized that coming on here and making these kinds of statements you were going to step on a lot of raw nerves - as it turned out, mine included. i am not disputing the facts, i am disputing the rumors and motives being tossed around - including why you would want to start tossing them around.
brian
