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Heide
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2003, 07:17:44 pm »

Here are some questions for Scott & Brent:

1) Why is it that when Judy tells Brent something it is 100% true but the information they she personally gave me is false?

2) Why is it that when I saw Judy's stock statement, which she showed me was worth 172 thousand dollars and Brent was only told it was worth 62 thousand dollars that I am wrong and he is right?

3) Why is it that when I stuck my neck out on information that Judy gave to me I had to in turn apologize because the information turned out to be false?

If you can answer these questions to my satisfaction than I can put this whole thing to bed.  I would sincerely appreciate it.

Heide

P.S. Brian Tucker, since I don't know what David's motivation was I guess I do owe you an apology. Even though I had witnesses, it doesn't seem to matter much here.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2003, 07:59:00 pm »

I've struggled with this information not knowing what to do with it so here goes:

When Dave & Judy initially split up and Judy moved south, Dave called and offered to send money to help her out, also he gave her the stock portfolio. Dave has gone back to school and I've heard is working. I don't know if his mom is still supporting him.

Yes he is still guilty of the abuse. Yes he has made no effort to repent that I know of but in some ways he did try and make things right....

Heide

Heide, you might have been better off saying FYI instead of "I've struggled with this info...".  When I first read you post I thought that if DG is taking any measures to get things right now, how much better it would have been for him and his family if only someone had made a strong stand against him a long time ago.  But GG & BG were willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of their own selfish ambitions - demonic isn't it. SAD SAD SAD!

Lord bless,
Marcia
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2003, 08:43:03 pm »

Dear Brian:

Differing opinion is not calling someone an idiot. Differing opinion is not attacking someones's integrity by questioning their motives.

You need to reevaluate the purpose of this board. If it is to express one's heart for the purpose of healing in the wake of all that has happened then you and others should allow that expression. Even if it differs from your heart. You can debate and disagree without character assassination, as you put it.

If the purpose of this board is for any other reason then you need to reveal your motive.





This thinking is pernicious in the extreme


Verne, you haven't a slightest clue what I am thinking. You throw words at people and about people that lack any grace whatsoever. You would do well to listen rather than judge ones thoughts. Because someone does not have your degree of hatred you attack the individual. The only perniciousness here comes from you, and that is extreme.

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2003, 02:24:12 am »

I struggled with the information for three years because some of you were so eager to help Judy out when she already got financial help. I am not defending David or the Geftakys. My concern is that while some of you are so helpful to get a contribution together, would you had you known that they had already been helped out?

so what bothered you is that people were eager to help judy, despite the fact that judy was not eager to be helped. you were so bothered by their desire to help the woman who suffered for years under their very noses that you felt compelled to betray judy's confidence in you and share personal information you saw on her bank statement. and you decided to do this months after anyone has even mentioned helping judy out financially. i mean, it was a completely dead issue. so why now? there must be something that triggered this for you.

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I knew about the money that Judy rec'd and didn't say anything while they were taking donations here in SLO for her. So for that much I am guilty of fleecing the sheep.

maybe, but in this case judy isn't. taking a collection was not her idea, it was a spontaneous response on the part of the slo assembly when they finally realized the full truth that had been partially hidden from them, and they felt pretty guilty about it, as far as i can tell. also the leadership had to do something, since many of them had known far more for much longer than the average assemblyite. yet their sorrow and expression of regret and support of judy as seen in giving financial donations really bothered you. why?

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I am tired of keeping secrets for an evil family and guarding some "truth".

by "truth" you mean the contents of judy's personal accounts?

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as for you Brian, David was willing to mail the money to Judy. You can confirm the information with some of the LB's here in SLO. David told many people that he offered to help her and he told many people about the stocks.

like i said, he would likely want everyone to know because it was a pr move. and if he told everyone, then how could it be such a big secret that you were struggling with for so long? did he tell them this after the collection or before? if he sent the stocks three years ago, and the collection for judy was taken this year, then people gave donations knowing she already got the stocks - yet their desire to help judy still bothers you. why?

you are letting your anger confuse your ability to understand what i'm writing. i never said you were a liar, nor did i question the fact that david sent her stocks or offered her money. but i find your antagonism towards judy and your willingness to assign pure motives to david both disturbing and suspect.

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Really, isn't most of this about money?

not at all. for me it is mostly about betrayal.

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Calling me names doesn't change the facts.

no it dosen't, but getting called names dosen't mean your conclusions are correct either, or that scott's are incorrect. personally i would love to see scott apologize for the namecalling and delete his post, because i find it pointlessly hurtful and distracting from the real issues.

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I was not defending David, if we can be clear on that for starters.

well, ok, maybe you were not intentionally defending david? maybe that just came out in what you were saying as a side effect, while your main point had something to do with irritation on your part that judy got money?

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In comparison, at least David got a job while Tim does not.

see, this sounds defensive. before you said you heard david got a job. are you quite sure he did? i know i for one am very curious as to what kind of a job he would take.

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There is no degree of evil.

i disagree. i would call evil the range from dark grey to black. and i do think david is on the black end.

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Unfortunately if it comes from David or GG or BG then one way or another it did come from the sheep.

maybe this is why she hasen't gone after the geftakys family fortune? i think far more than money judy just wants to be left alone. thats why i wasn't even going to respond to this when you first posted it, even though it really bothered me. i was hoping the topic would just fade away quietly.

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I don't know what David's motivation were. Some of you seem to be much wiser than me and can tell.

its not a question of who is wiser than who. i just think it is really naive to ascribe pure motives to a man we now know has had devious motives for most of his life.

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3) Why is it that when I stuck my neck out on information that Judy gave to me I had to in turn apologize because the information turned out to be false?

what information is this? the value of the stock? i really don't think that is the central issue in what any of us have been saying. at least it isn't with me.

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Brian Tucker, since I don't know what David's motivation was I guess I do owe you an apology. Even though I had witnesses, it doesn't seem to matter much here.

i don't feel you owe me an apology for anything, but whatever it might be i forgive you. are you talking about witnesses to david's motives, or the stock thing?  Huh  i hope you won't hold a grudge against me for disgreeing with you so vehemently on this issue.

heide, you must have realized that coming on here and making these kinds of statements you were going to step on a lot of raw nerves - as it turned out, mine included. i am not disputing the facts, i am disputing the rumors and motives being tossed around - including why you would want to start tossing them around.

brian
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Scott McCumber
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2003, 02:53:21 am »

Here are some questions for Scott & Brent:

1) Why is it that when Judy tells Brent something it is 100% true but the information they she personally gave me is false?

I don't know. Maybe she didn't trust you? Maybe she thought you would post her personal information all over the bulletin board? Maybe you are right and Brent is wrong but I don't recall anything in this thread like that.

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2) Why is it that when I saw Judy's stock statement, which she showed me was worth 172 thousand dollars and Brent was only told it was worth 62 thousand dollars that I am wrong and he is right?


Are you on the same thread as everyone else? Who said in this thread that Brent claimed 62K and you claimed 172K? What are you talking about? I didn't know the amounts. I didn't care about the amounts. The amounts are irrelevant (at least to anyone who understands the issue).

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3) Why is it that when I stuck my neck out on information that Judy gave to me I had to in turn apologize because the information turned out to be false?

I don't know. Why? Maybe it was given in confidence and you betrayed that confidence. Maybe you were lied to. Maybe you shouldn't repeat things like that on a bulletin board.

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If you can answer these questions to my satisfaction than I can put this whole thing to bed.  I would sincerely appreciate it.

No matter what I answer you will not be satisfied because we are not talking about the same things. You are wrapped up in the dollars. I contend the issues behind the money are more important. I contend that it is not only naive to attribute pure motives to DG but foolish and dangerous. If you don't know why, I'm sorry. You haven't learned enough about the Geftakys cult yet.

Personally, I've put this issue to bed. Feel free to stay up and nurse it through the night.

Scott McCumber
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Eulaha L. Long
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2003, 03:15:54 am »

You know Scott, it's really funny how you intend to "put this issue to rest", when you are the no. 1 instigator.  All Heide did was disclose some information.  She didn't put any "repentace value" in it at all.  Her point was, from what I can see, was to inform you all that Judy wasn't exactly left penniless, and that David did offer her some stocks worth x-amount of money.  Plain and simple.  Calling her an idiot shows how immature you must be.  Only kids go around calling others names!  You don't even KNOW Heide, so how can you put such a label on her? If you remember from her account on the Rick Ross website, it was HEIDE who encouraged Judy to get help when David's rages were at their worst.  It was HEIDE who informed the little flock about their "leader" and "worker" beating his wife!  You seem to forget all of that, don't you?  So, the next time you decide to call someone an idiot, do your homework first.

And Brian, I feel you need to really do something with this BB.  It is full of bickering and accusing and offending.  I guess there WAS a reason why I started contributing to the other BB, where the moderator actual moderates.  Rest assured, I will NEVER be contributing on this one again! Angry
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Scott McCumber
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2003, 05:33:58 am »

You know Scott, it's really funny how you intend to "put this issue to rest", when you are the no. 1 instigator.  All Heide did was disclose some information.  She didn't put any "repentace value" in it at all.  Her point was, from what I can see, was to inform you all that Judy wasn't exactly left penniless, and that David did offer her some stocks worth x-amount of money.  Plain and simple.

Actually Eulaha, she said that the saints in SLO were "fleeced".

She said that Judy was complicit with David in "fleecing" the flock. These are quotes, my dear, check the thread.

She also stated that David's motives for handing over the stock to Judy was to "make things right." Another direct quote.

In this she becomes an apologist and makes a concession to his evil. It is a dangerous thing and lends credence and strength to those who still argue that there was and is good in the Assembly and worse it harms and weakens those still struggling to cut their Assembly ties.

In defending her actions, she revealed on a public bulletin board the very details of Judy's stock statement, shown to her as a friend. And then accuses of her "friend" of lying to Brent.

Additionally, she stated that the SLO situation with David and Judy's abusive relationship was mostly "about the money." Another quote. A jaw-droppingly asinine quote.

You jump to your friend's defense, Eulaha which is fine, but you totally ignored the facts.

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Calling her an idiot shows how immature you must be.  Only kids go around calling others names!

Did you just call me an immature kid? Am not!

I don't have time for this. Sponge Bob starts in 10 minutes!

Scott McCumber
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Tony
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2003, 07:19:38 am »

Hey Enchi,

This isn't a good idea to me!
"Here's another job opening for David:  Jiffy Lube.  They're always hiring.  He can work in the pit changing oil filters."

 This would put David in close contact with easily influenced young men.   They may look up to this older man for wisdom!   (But then again, they may beat him up and take his cigarettes)

adios
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sfortescue
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2003, 09:47:18 am »

There are a couple of possible explanations for the discrepancy in the value of the stocks.

One is that Heide has been trying to account for where assembly money went, so that means that the value that Heide would hear about is the purchase price rather than the present value.

Another possibility is that some misinformation from DG has created some confusion.

Speculation about DG's motives seems silly since most people can't imagine what would motivate a man to beat his wife.

Maybe DG should find a job crab fishing in the Bering sea.
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thebestmusician
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2003, 06:54:52 pm »

Hi James,
I for one couldn't agree with you more. Don't let these men (Brian and Scott) discourage you. There are many people out there that support your point of view and applaud you for your courage in standing up to these purveyors of bitterness and wrath and mocking. You are right to question Brian's motive. He isn't even a believer! Therefore, he has no intention of making sure that this bb is Christ-honoring. Just some thoughts...keep up the good work James!
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