a very long thread

[Joe Sperling]

I just wanted to quickly share something concerning the new BB "soaring with the eagles". Yesterday, in some sarcastic humor, I posted. Because this post called into question something the administrator there posted(it was basically an attack against Verne and a praising of Matt)  my account was immediately deleted.

This morning I visited the BB there and saw a thread by Matt which once again attacks and mocks and sarcastically addresses Verne. I then read an E-mail from the Administator which said that she will not allow any posts which support Verne in any way. Yet--she will allow any type of sarcastic attack against him. This is extremely hypocritical, and mirrors the Assembly to a tee. WE can attack and debase and insult whomever we like, but no rebuttals will be allowed.

I have asked the administrator there to permanently delete me---I have no desire to be part of a BB which is a microcosm of the old Assembly system. I thought I would share this because I have been posting for a long time and have never been "deleted" from either of the other two BB's---and I have said some very sarcastic things, and some things I've thought I probably should have been deleted for. But any BB that will allow someone to all out attack someone(like Verne) without allowing any rebuttal or defense is as hypocritical as they get.

God bless,  Joe

[jackhutchinson]

I agree.  That board is a waste of time.  They tried to waste our time on this BB, and it workded for awhile.  Now they hope to distract us by luring us to their BB.  19 years in that miasma of 'vision' was enough for me.

jack

[editor]

You guys didn't read the user agreement for their BB.

It said that courtesy and moderation would be the tone, and that rudeness and personal attacks would not be tolerated.

Joe wasn't moderate.

Joe is deleted.

Matt is moderate, has never attacked anyone personally, and is always courteous.

I don't undertand what the problem is.  

Again,  I am using the COS defintions of moderate, and courteous.

Brent

[brian]

You guys didn't read the user agreement for their BB.

It said that courtesy and moderation would be the tone, and that rudeness and personal attacks would not be tolerated.

Joe wasn't moderate.

Joe is deleted.

Matt is moderate, has never attacked anyone personally, and is always courteous.

I don't undertand what the problem is.  

Again,  I am using the COS defintions of moderate, and courteous.

Brent

right  

just to make sure you are not losing anyone by your very dry sarcasm here: you are highlighting the obvious double-standard being employed by the eaglepeople by playing devil's advocate, no? its hard to hang these people any more effectively than they hang themselves. sometimes i find myself just wanting to quote themselves to themselves, word-for-word, because it just dosen't seem possible that anything more incriminating could be pointed out to them *baffled* but then i realize that i don't need to give them any more rope, they are already hanging themselves with maximum efficiency.

brian

[editor]

You guys didn't read the user agreement for their BB.

It said that courtesy and moderation would be the tone, and that rudeness and personal attacks would not be tolerated.

Joe wasn't moderate.

Joe is deleted.

Matt is moderate, has never attacked anyone personally, and is always courteous.

I don't undertand what the problem is.  

Again,  I am using the COS defintions of moderate, and courteous.

Brent

right  

just to make sure you are not losing anyone by your very dry sarcasm here: you are highlighting the obvious double-standard being employed by the eaglepeople by playing devil's advocate, no? its hard to hang these people any more effectively than they hang themselves. sometimes i find myself just wanting to quote themselves to themselves, word-for-word, because it just dosen't seem possible that anything more incriminating could be pointed out to them *baffled* but then i realize that i don't need to give them any more rope, they are already hanging themselves with maximum efficiency.

brian

If the sarcasm seems unusually dry, it is not by design.  As a matter of fact, I am quite serious in what I said above.

What might be confusing you is your preconceived notions of what words mean.  When I use the words "Moderate" and "Courteous" I am using the definitions of these words that are in fitting with the Code of Silence,  which they are employing.

If you understand "moderate" to mean that which agrees with a certain point of view,  and "courteous" to mean personal attacks on those who are not moderate, than you have it.

If it is funny,  it's only because it really is funny.  Not because I am being sarcastic.

In the immortal words of John Candy:  "Sometimes the coolest video is outdoors."

Brent

[mithrandir]

Where is this "Soaring with Eagles" board?!??!?

mithrandir

[editor]

Where is this "Soaring with Eagles" board?!??!?

mithrandir

www.soaringwiththeeagles.com

Please note:

I am not responsible for the content on that website, other than my own posts.

Brent

[editor]

What are we to make of the individual I have affectionately dubbed the High Priestess of Pablum?
I have known this individual for a long time but had not seen or spoken to her for about a decade until she showed up on the Brain Tucker BB earler this year. Everything I have concluded about her is based on her conduct since that time.
I would like to suggest that she is the embodiment of everything we have come to understand and rightfully despise about assemblism. I had determined not to speak specifically to this issue since I have known this individual for some time, but then I realised thus it was in the assemblies that the very people whom we trusted to act in our best interests, and thought we knew, had been giving us a Six for a Nine, Light for Darkness, Darkness for Light, and had prostituted and debauched all that we held dear and sacred into an idolatrous caricature of what the church ought to be.
So along comes this emissary of mischief and what to our horror does she propose? You got it.
A Six for a Nine
Light for Darkness
Darkness for Light, and yes an idolatrous caricature of what the House of God ought to be.
It was the virtually unanimous conclusion of the BB community, many of us seasoned veterans of assemblism (thanks to Ray for that fine descriptor) that  the person posting with the sobriquet "Matt" was a vile, disrespectful, vindictive and unentreatable delinquent. I concluded this early on but some of you had to do so later by virtue of painful personal experience. I could have saved you a lot of trouble. This individual has been provided a forum to spew his foul and fetid froth in every direction while his sponsor dotingly explains that he is "young" and asserts that he is the most "discerning" and "astute" young man she has ever known. Based on what you and I know about "Matt" we must conclude one of the following two are true.
Either the priestess is the dullest creature that ever walked the face of the earth, or she is the most devious. Whatever you conclude is really of little consequence. The real question is having been down this road before...
HAVE WE LEARNED ANYTHING?
Verne    

Dear Verne

You are right, perhaps.  But just chill out!  Cool your jets man!  I see it as humorous.

While I understand how it feels to you, having them put your name all over their website, etc.  please keep in mind that not only is it funny,  it makes you look good.

In all seriousness, I think we should just drop it, pray for them, and go about our business.

Matt,  you are forgiven.  

Verne-----my suggestion is to view the thing in a similar manner to the cable TV show,  "Most Extreme Elimination Challenge."

While at first, it feels weird to see these people smashing into walls,  tweaking their spines and such,  when you come to grip with the fact that they are doing it by choice,  it is actually enjoyable to watch them crash into stuff and injure themselves.  Same thing with the Seagulls.  Just let 'em go;  who knows?  Perhaps we might even learn something,  or even find out we need to make some changes.  They may have something good to say.

Brent

[mithrandir]

I just saw the "Soaring with Eagles" site.  Man, are those people in the clouds, or what?  The only way I know of to achieve that depth of altered consciousness is through use of some of the substances I used to see people smoking when I was in the Army!  If they don't want to believe that the Geftakys assemblies were actively harmful, maybe they should look George up (and his henchmen) and ask to be put back under their control again.

One thing that bb reminds me of.  You all remember the scene in "The Last Battle" by C.S. Lewis where the dwarfs are physically in Heaven, yet in the hell of their minds they continue to stubbornly believe that they are in a smelly old stable.

mithrandir

[M2]

From the looks of it, Sondra has a particular agenda. I have stayed off that BB because of my past experience with Sondra. We often ended up going round in circles in our communication. Too bad she deleted that latest post by Daerter (aka ??). It was so well thought out. Daerter, I hope you saved a copy. SWTE is definitely not an open forum.

Marcia

[editor]

From the looks of it, Sondra has a particular agenda. I have stayed off that BB because of my past experience with Sondra. We often ended up going round in circles in our communication. Too bad she deleted that latest post by Daerter (aka ??). It was so well thought out. Daerter, I hope you saved a copy. SWTE is definitely not an open forum.

Marcia

I know I said I would stay off this topic,  perhaps I am weak...

Sondra is quite an Admin!  She has deleted 3 of the last 5 posts by people other than herself!  All of them were nice.

Daerter's post was deleted, because again, he was not courteous and moderate.

Courteous means personal attacks on those who disagree with me,

Moderate means that which agrees with a certain point of view.

You can't say anything over there unless it is courteous and moderate.

This really is the last thing I'll say about this thread.

Brent

[Scott McCumber]

I can barely express how absurd the Seagulls site is. I could bang out a long post on the flawed logic expressed there.

Or maybe spend some time discussing the strange and unhealthy relationship between Sondra and her champion.

How about the arbitrary censorship that would do any Cold War socialist proud?

Shoot, I could write a thesis on the emotional and spritual health of a woman who claims she has benefited from George and Betty's "faithfulness".

But why? I agree with Brent. They are so over the top and blatantly flawed that they are a joke.

Please let them write ALL of their thoughts and post them for the world to see. They only hurt themselves. But don't be dragged down into their twisted reality.

Verne, by definition anyone who is castigated on their board must be doing something right! Wear it like a badge of honor and continue your more important work on this forum. I don't think anyone here needs to be convinced those people are whacked (yes, that is the proper medical term ).

Just one man's opinion.

Scott McCumber

[M2]

Sondra and Matt may end up conversing with each other on that BB.

Marcia

[outdeep]

OK.  Help me out here.  How many BB are out there?

I know about assemblyboard/Brian Tucker.  This was the original board.

I know about the Geftakys Lodge hosted by John Malone.  No thanks for me, but if you want to, that's OK.

I knew about rest for the weary, but can't seem to find it anymore.  Is it still around?

Now it seems that there are 10 people starting "Soaring with eagles".  I guess I could ask why, but it doesn't matter.  It seems to be starting off with problems anyway.

Is this all the denominations so far?

[retread]

....
I know about the Geftakys Lodge hosted by John Malone.  No thanks for me, but if you want to, that's OK.
...

Could you imagine "moderate" John Malone on Soaring with the Eagles. Shudder.