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« on: November 23, 2003, 10:46:28 am »

I do not want to bury my posts on this topic, for some really good reasons which I will not go into at this time.  If someone wishes to comment on this matter, please do so here.

Brent
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 01:00:59 pm »

I do not want to bury my posts on this topic, for some really good reasons which I will not go into at this time.  If someone wishes to comment on this matter, please do so here.

Brent

I do not have much to comment on this matter other than to say thanks Brent for taking the effort to share with us this detailed explanation of the truth behind these events, and also thanks for the sacrifices that you have made for all you have done.  When something needed to be done, you stood up and did it. You are genuinely an inspiration.  Your example has even helped motivate old Retread on occasion.

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Now, as to your motive for doing this.  I can only speculate that you did it out of ignorance and a general dislike of who you think I am.

This could be very true.  People get so blinded by their prejudices and preconceived notions that they assume a lot of nonsense to be fact, when it couldn't even be further from the truth.  But your clear explanation should hopefully be even understandable by the soaring folks, and you should be able to get a clear answer as to where their motives lie.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2003, 07:38:37 pm »

All I have to say is that anybody foolish enough to pick a fight with Brent Tr0ckman of all people really needs to have their head examined. Watching this develop reminded me of a scene from "The Perfect Weapon" where Jeff Speakman walks into a local dojo and challenges one of the "dancers" there to a match in exchange for information. The fighter looks at him with contempt and Speakman looks at his partner and quips:
Both of you!
The first guys says:
Are you serious?
Speakman says:
Are you?
You can probably guess what happened...
I will tell you this much, Brent Tr0ckman is a very serious individual. But of course, we all knew that did we not?
Verne
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2003, 10:14:57 pm »

Re. the defense of Brent against the scandalous charges raised by Sondra:

  I have never met Sondra, and after once trying to visit her site was blocked in my attempt to register.  It is tempting to want to know what your detractors are saying about you, but I encourage folks to follow the Biblical advice to avoid heretics.
   In Brent's situation it is clearly different because Sondra raised issues that are outside the realm of church doctrine and practices and has suggested that Brent may be a nefarious character, at best.  Sondra claims, in her posts, that since Brent called Assembly folks into question re. their handling of the money he deserves the same kind of treatment.
   Where to begin here?  I have known Brent for a little over a year and met him on the Rick Ross site at that time.  I left the Assembly over 12 years ago, before the big blow-up surrounding GG last year, and understood from what he wrote that he saw clearly the truth re. the Assembly.
   When Brent announced that he was going to start a website dedicated to discussion of the Assembly I was filled with doubts.  I thought, "who would read it except those who had already left; it would never reach those on the inside."  Dave Sable tried years earlier to reach the group via a newsletter called, "The Noble Inquirer," which was scornfully rejected by insiders.  In the past I was involved with different BB's that dealt with cults and abusive churches and never once saw a successful attempt to penetrate the wall the leaders built around the groups.  There were even best selling books written that mentioned the abusive nature of the Assembly and these seemed to have no effect; how would a website accomplish what these efforts could not?
   I believe that Brent was used of God in a very special way, and at just the right time, to bring about a much needed deliverance for God's little ones trapped in an aberrant group.  I can only testify to the fact that Brent spent many hours of the day and much of his own money to promote the above mentioned work.   When I went up to visit him he was so busy with dealing with Assembly issues that he didn't even have time to go out to lumch with me!
   In summation I count it a great privilege to have known Brent and to have been involved in what was always his vision to help those to see the truth re. Assembly teaching and practices via the sites he raised up.  I have always found him to be a very honest person and a very good doctor to boot!  He believed when others doubted (including myself) and he was the one to make it happen!
    Sondra may find herself in the unfortunate position of being in opposition to God's purposes in this matter, and as I have in the past, warn her to humbly consider her teaching as being heretical.  I would also now add to the list her need to apologize and repent of her scandalous personal attacks on Brent.
                                         God Bless,  Mark C.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2003, 08:01:49 am »

I do not want to bury my posts on this topic, for some really good reasons which I will not go into at this time.  If someone wishes to comment on this matter, please do so here.

Brent

I do not have much to comment on this matter other than to say thanks Brent for taking the effort to share with us this detailed explanation of the truth behind these events, and also thanks for the sacrifices that you have made for all you have done.  When something needed to be done, you stood up and did it. You are genuinely an inspiration.  Your example has even helped motivate old Retread on occasion.

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Now, as to your motive for doing this.  I can only speculate that you did it out of ignorance and a general dislike of who you think I am.

This could be very true.  People get so blinded by their prejudices and preconceived notions that they assume a lot of nonsense to be fact, when it couldn't even be further from the truth.  But your clear explanation should hopefully be even understandable by the soaring folks, and you should be able to get a clear answer as to where their motives lie.

Well I finally read a post over on the soaring site that made some sense.  Brent, you should be thankful  (and I am sure that you are) that God has given you such a wise wife (even if she does post over on the other site). Smiley  Her suggestion to use the time-out to spend time with your families is one that I am sure will give you much thankfulness for God's goodness.  For sure it is a lot better than spending time fighting with Sondra, no matter how much she has wronged you.  Of course there are times when standing up and fighting is necessary even when it is difficult or unpleasant, but God has been good to you Brent, and I am sure that you would gladly welcome some rejoicing in God's goodness.

We're looking for BIG smiles here.  Smiley Smiley Smiley

Your friend,
Retread
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2003, 09:28:58 am »

Does anybody else think that she really snookered us?
After-all she was apparently about to go "sight-less" and this latest has created quite a stir has it not? Death throes and rattles perhaps? Hmmmnnnn....!

I went to see Suzie's post. Probably my final visit. You leave feeling somewhat tainted...

Verne
p.s I quickly figured out she imagines her stature enhanced by attempting to engage, instruct and/or denigrate those viewed as having "gravitas". Pathetic creature...not too much truly original I fear...
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2003, 09:33:44 am »

Brent,

It's because you got involved that misunderstandings, misrepresentations, mishaps etc. happen. If you had just stayed out of it and washed your hands (that's even Biblical, because Pilate did it) then we could have remained in our assembly bliss.

Well it did give you the opportunity to clarify the matter; not that I thought that you had mishandled the money. In fact it cost you a pretty penny to set up the website etc, and not only financially, but time and effort as well. I, for one, am thankful that you did.

I did not realize that Dave Sable had attempted to warn the assemblies via a newsletter. So I thank Dave as well.

Lord bless,
Marcia
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2003, 10:28:29 am »

Does anybody else think that she really snookered us?
After-all she was apparently about to go "sight-less" and this latest has created quite a stir has it not? Death throes and rattles perhaps? Hmmmnnnn....!
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I would hope that she hasn't snookered many.  I suspect that the more that we talk about Sondra and her site here, the more she will write on her site, and hence the shutdown of her site will be further delayed.  When she was running low on fuel for her flames, we may have given her new fuel.  Perhaps we have been helping somewhat to prolong the agony.  Nothing that has been on the soaring site recently has surprised me (however I did have some initial shock when I first went there), it may have saddened, but not surprised.

Unfortunately thus far it would appear that none of what we have said has helped her, but rather just increased tensions. Not that we should give up on her, just that although we have tried, it would appear that we have not made any real progress with her.

Life has challenges and can not always be a bed of roses,  but I am really not enjoying this (not to say that I should be or shouldn't be). Sad
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2003, 04:16:58 pm »



All I have to say is that anybody foolish enough to pick a fight with Brent Tr0ckman of all people really needs to have their head examined.


     i once picked a fight with Brent.

     i had my head examined.

     They found nothing...      Wink

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2003, 05:31:53 pm »



Unfortunately thus far it would appear that none of what we have said has helped her, but rather just increased tensions. Not that we should give up on her, just that although we have tried, it would appear that we have not made any real progress with her.

     This was the very bone of contention between Brent & me:
i was determined to help some BBers who, it turned out, were equally determined to not be helped.  Brent had already realized this while i had not.  What might have transpired had i listened to Brent can only be guessed at, but i can now see and admit that my efforts may well have exacerbated the problem at that time.
     And yet, Brent ventured over to the new "Eagles" BB on a mission similar to mine previous;  to attempt to win back someone who had wandered astray (in this case Sondra) and bring instruction & enlightenment to those who listened to her.  Why?  
     Because sometimes when we see the nature of another person's darkness, it resonates within us of the darkness from which the Lord has delivered us and we think with our hearts because we empathize, longing for that other's deliverance.
     Are our efforts toward the benighted destined always to fail?  Does it matter?  Paul said that he became all things to all men in order that those who could be won would be won, and that it would be to his woe to not preach the gospel.  The personal woes that we may experience as a result of failed attempts to reach others is nothing compared to the woe of which he speaks.
     Personal rejection?  Sure it hurts, but what of it?  Our Lord Jesus Christ stopped at nothing on our behalf.  The Lord of Glory bears the title Man of Sorrows for His earthly ministry.  And as we are partakers of His inheritance, shall we complain to become, in miniscule measure, partakers in His suffering?  No, because in Him we are more than conquerors.

     So then, Brent, about your defense:  
     Some know you & trust you.  To these you do not need to defend yourself.  To these your defense is understood without statement.
     Some do not know and/or trust you.  To these you need not defend yourself because they will not believe you or accept your defense on any terms.
     Then there are those who do not know you well enough to decide whether they trust or distrust you.  What these need to hear is not your vindication, nor even your explanation, but the pure and simple statement of the truth.  It is the Truth, not your or my telling of it, that liberates.  To see me or you as we see ourselves will not help them (because as yet we do not see as we should), but if we preach Christ and tell the Truth in Him, He will draw the hearers to Himself.

     For me, Brent, you need no defense.  You can decide why. Wink

al

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2003, 09:39:00 pm »

Does anybody else think that she really snookered us?
After-all she was apparently about to go "sight-less" and this latest has created quite a stir has it not? Death throes and rattles perhaps? Hmmmnnnn....!

I went to see Suzie's post. Probably my final visit. You leave feeling somewhat tainted...

Verne
p.s I quickly figured out she imagines her stature enhanced by attempting to engage, instruct and/or denigrate those viewed as having "gravitas". Pathetic creature...not too much truly original I fear...

It is not too often that  I feel the need to quote myself in an attempt at clarification (no snickering now!)  Smiley. The "she" in the above quote of course never refers to Suzie Tr0ckman.
Verne
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2003, 09:45:32 pm »



All I have to say is that anybody foolish enough to pick a fight with Brent Tr0ckman of all people really needs to have their head examined.


     i once picked a fight with Brent.

     i had my head examined.

     They found nothing...      Wink

al


I have been on a few mats - literally, figuratively and spiritually - I really would rather be wid'  'im, than agin' im, if you know what I mean... Grin
Verne
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2003, 10:41:19 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2003, 10:59:10 pm »

Isaiah 29
20   For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
21   That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
22   Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
23   But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.
24   They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2003, 02:03:03 am »

Why pick on Brent Tr0ckman ?......So you can take the focus off the real issue at hand ; untangling the false doctrine George weaved with the truth.

Why pick on Brent Tr0ckman ? ...To annoy him, because he turned on the light in a dark place and some people loved the dark place.

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