Dave said: Logic is fine, but when it brings us to conclusions that are contrary to scripture, then we've done something wrong.
Dave, do you really believe this??? Don't make the same mistake Calvin (and Luther made)! When the geocentric theory's of the solar system were to be over turned by the scientific heliocentric theories, Calvin and Luther condemned these scientists to death simply because their LOGIC contracted the scripture.
Why do humans have LOGIC if they aren't supposed to use it?
truthseeker
Truthseeker,
It seems to me that you should be a little more careful about what is true/untrue.
I am aware that Calvin signed the execution order for Michael Servetus. As far as I have ever read, that is the only execution he ever authorized. Servetus was a notorious heretic who knew what would probably happen if he went to Geneva and carried on as he had in other places.
This doesn't excuse Calvin...but it is true that Servetus asked for it.
I am not aware that Luther ever condemned anyone to death. He believed that the princes were God's instrument for keeping public order.
Luther did call Copernicus a "fool" and an "upstart astrologer".
This is because Luther's use of scripture and logic was valid, but unsound.
A valid deductive argument is one in which the premises, if true, must produce a true conclusion.
An unsound deductive argument is one which contains an untrue premise.
Luther reasoned as follows:
Premise 1-The most literal sense of scripture is the correct sense.
Premise 2-Joshua ordered the sun to stand still over the earth.
Conclusion: It was the sun that was moving, not the earth.
Now the conclusion is valid...just unsound, since the most literal sense is not always the correct sense.
So, what Dave said, that if our logic brings us to a conclusion that is contrary to scripture we have done something wrong, is correct.
We have either misunderstood scripture, or reasoned falsely.
God bless,
Thomas Maddux
