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« on: December 10, 2003, 09:23:04 am »

Do any of you remember that we used to promote George's pamphlets and books on the booktable?  Only Assemblies that were influenced by George did this, perhaps yours was one of them!

This is a excerpt from the GA.com website:

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From God's Provision for Continual Cleansing by George Geftakys.
On one hand we rejoice in the truth that God has passed over our sins through the blood of Christ, but on the other hand a dilemma presents itself.  Scripture is very precise: the Lord Jesus made reconciliation for the passing over of sins that are past. But what about sins that I commit after I'm saved? ...

Numbers 19:12 [ordinance of the red heifer] teaches us that the defiled one who availed himself of the water of separation on the third day, had hope that he would be clean on the seventh day.  If I walk with my Savior day by day, and avail myself of that water of separation, I can be sanctified and my flesh purified.  How do I appropriate the water of purification to my condition?  God's provision for Christians is explained in I John 1:0: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" [emphasis added]. If we are careful to maintain our cleanliness before God by confessing our sins, then we can "draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water" (Heb. 10:22).

If we thus follow Him day by day, then when He returns on the "seventh day", we will also follow Him in resurrection glory.  Otherwise, any defilement we have not bothered to seek cleansing for will follow us to the judgment seat of Christ.  Do you hope to follow the Lord to glory?  Then take advantage of the cleansing available to you, for "every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure" (I John 3:3)...

If we have been saved -- consecrated and surrendered to the Lord -- we only need to have our feet washed from daily defilement.  whether it be before we are saved, or after, all sin needs to be pardoned.  We will not reign with Christ in glory unless we allow Him to wash our feet.  Our daily cleansing from sin depends entirely upon our consent to Christ's action. We dare not continue in willful disobedience, doing as we please.  We must ask the Lord to daily cleanse us...

Unconfessed sin will be dealt with at the judgment seat of Christ, but carefulness will be rewarded...

Sin can and will be forgiven, if confessed and repented of.  To repent means to acknowledge our sin and to do something about it; it means to confess and forsake it.  Repentance is not mere confession, for unless we sorrow for our sin, God will not forgive us. He is not fooled by mere words; He is looking for true repentance that comes from the heart...

God cannot jeopardize His holiness by overlooking our sins; He must deal with them... We need to take this passage [Heb. 10:26-27] seriously, for if we sin willfully after we have been saved, the sacrifice of Christ does us no good.  This is speaking not of ignorantly sinning, but of willingly sinning with our eyes wide opened. It is not falling into sin, but continuing in sin, knowing it is wrong...

Calvary covers all sins -- past and future -- but Calvary can become ineffective if we do not avail ourselves of its provision each day.

What about sin that is not repented of?  It remains unpardoned and will follow us to the judgment seat of Christ.  Hebrew 10 again warns us, "The Lord shall judge His people.  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (verses 30-31).  This should put a godly fear in our hearts, but at the same time it's a wonderful relief to know that all sin confessed and forsaken will never follow us to His judgment seat...

A great ocean of pardon is available to everyone who seeks it.  We can enter heaven with "clean hands, and a pure heart" (Ps. 24:4), simply by taking advantage of the cleansing available to us in Jesus Christ.

First of all, I don't believe what George is saying in this passage.  In fact, I reject it.  However, I don't think he believes it either!  Certainly George continued in sin for many years, and when confronted by the women he had immoral relations with over the years, did he fear God and repent?  Did he appropriate the "water of purification for my condition?"  Nope, he sure didn't.

Why do you suppose George taught us all this stuff, when he didn't believe it himself?  Was it because he is a confused and complicated person?  Was it because he plagiarized it from different books at different times?  Was there an ulterior motive behind it all?

What about the current Assemblies meeting, where they have taken his books off the booktable.  Have they bothered to check this stuff out and take a stand one way or the other?

VERY, VERY interesting!  I had no idea that George condtradicted himself like this.

Brent
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2003, 06:40:27 pm »

Brent,

I am unclear on certain aspects of the pamphlet comparison and contradictions. I will comment on what I do know or have an opinion about.

Yes, the Ottawa assembly sold GG's books and pamphlets. And, No they have not re-evaluated his teaching. They are believing that the effects of being exposed to other teachers and preachers, and by reading books by other Christian authors will have the effect of "removing the poison from the stew" so to speak.

My opinion regarding GG's motivation in preaching what he did not practice is that he was possibly putting up a smoke screen such that we would not recognize it in him and point the finger at him.

Lord bless,
Marcia
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2003, 08:01:57 pm »


Why do you suppose George taught us all this stuff, when he didn't believe it himself?  Was it because he is a confused and complicated person?  Was it because he plagiarized it from different books at different times?  Was there an ulterior motive behind it all?

Brent

Extremely important questions. It is quite surprising how few have really attempted to find and or share satisfactory answers. I believe it critical that all of us affected by his legacy do so...
Verne

p.s. I am particularly intrigued by the theory that George Geftakys started out as a godly man who somehow eventually went astray. My biggest problem with that theory is Proverbs 4:18

But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day....  

What do you folk think?
Little boy lost...?
Or a liar and a fraud from the beginning?!
Verne
p.s.  most of you know what I think...

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...We dare not continue in willful disobedience, doing as we please...
Did he really say this? Reminds me of the passage where the Lord said to his wicked servant:

"Out of your own mouth I will judge you..."

Does this guy sleep at night? And does he like androids, dream of electric sheep...?

I am indeed convinced beyond all doubt that the most awe-inspiring quality of the Creator is His self-restraint...
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