Tim Geftakys in the Placentia assembly

[matthew r. sciaini]

All:

Apparently a couple of weeks ago (according to one who should know)  Tim and Ginger left the assembly in Fullerton to attend the assembly in Placentia.  So none of the ex-leadership is there is anymore.  

Anybody else here heard this?  

Matt Sciaini

[Uh Oh]

They obviously must be serving jelly donuts at pre prayer.

[enchilada]

They obviously must be serving jelly donuts at pre prayer.

I like jelly donuts.  I'll have to stop by some day before Tim arrives and have a few.

[Eulaha L. Long]

I wasn't aware that Fullerton is still an assembly...

[outdeep]

My take on this is that Tim may go to church wherever he wants.  Thanks for the update.

[Uh Oh]

Let me guess...Fullerton wouldn't let him play leader so he's off to Placentia where they can ease him him, he can show how much "God had changed him" and he can play "leading brother" sometime soon.

Living off tithes is probably a heck of a lot easier than selling real estate.

It is just shocking to me that after all that has been exposed about this Craptakys ministry, people still want to keep it going.

[M2]

Let me guess...Fullerton wouldn't let him play leader so he's off to Placentia where they can ease him him, he can show how much "God had changed him" and he can play "leading brother" sometime soon.

Living off tithes is probably a heck of a lot easier than selling real estate.

It is just shocking to me that after all that has been exposed about this Craptakys ministry, people still want to keep it going.

Good point!!

Marcia

[al Hartman]

So far this thread has offered some conjecture, but virtually no information.  Does anyone actually KNOW what's going on in Placentia, and in what capacity, if any, Tim has (or has not) been received there?

al

[moonflower2]

... Craptakys ministry...

comical :-)

[matthew r. sciaini]

Uh Oh:

I doubt very much that the leadership in Placentia is going to hand over the reins and monetary support to Tim G. anytime soon.  There are only about six or seven other families (and a few singles) there besides he and his wife, and I don't think people there are exactly "rolling in the dough".  

Furthermore, as some might corroborate, Jack Hanson very well may have his own ideas as to how things should run there.  Tim left Fullerton (from what I heard) because there was no real strong leadership there and he simply couldn't keep his hands off things, as he was desired to try and do.  The other brethren in Fullerton made decisions and allowed for things with which Tim didn't agree.  I frankly could see two scenarios:

1)  Tim actually learns what it means to submit to other authority (than his father and Fullerton leadership).

2)  Tim and Jack get into a clash of empires (which I doubt).  

As for his work, I don't he is doing real estate now.  

Matt

[Uh Oh]

Thanks for the update Matt.
Its interesting that Tim left Fullerton because there was "no real strong leadership" there and  he "couldn't keep his hands off of things".  Does he still not get the only reason he was previously in a position of leadership was because of daddy?  Furthermore, the only reason daddy was in the position he was in had nothing to do with God and everything to do with the fact he was a liar and a manipulator.

I've stated it once and I'll state it again.  Tim Geftakys has no business being in positon of leadership or any sort of position where he can exert any influence.  He is a wicked, evil, and twisted man.  Tim Geftakys is the ultimate con man.

I can see where selling real estate and having a real job would be a grind for someone who has lived off of other peoples earnings for his whole life.  

Those six or seven families still in Placentia and those involved in Fullerton ought to be committed to a psychiatric institution.

[outdeep]

There may be reasons others feel differently, but I can say for myself that Tim Geftakys had never done me wrong.

Tim and I were never buddies nor was he all that friendly to me in the 12 years I was in the Assembly.  But, I wandered into the Beach House in Huntington Beach as an 18 year old who knew nothing about the Bible.  Tim led studies through several books in the Bible and many of the things he taught in a year-long study in Genesis, I still remember and believe today.

OK, there are things I had to unlearn from his teaching in the book of Acts and other places, but for the most part, I gained much from his ministry and I appreciate his helping me find my way around the Bible.

Yes, he was a fast talker and he dominated conversations, but like I said -  my time with him wasn't all bad.  In fact, I learned much in my early days.

In my opinion, he did pretty much what I have seen assiociate college pastors do in churches today - they minister to college students, they disciple, they build relationships and they do various other maintenance job around the church.  In the early days, he did this while supporting his family on part-time jobs.

I understand that the college ministry in general and Tim specifically has issues.  But, in my dealings with him, I don't come away thinking that Tim is a complete fraud.  I have certainly lost respect for his father, but I don't feel this way about Tim.

If you feel differenly, you probably have your reasons.  Realize I haven't been in contact with Tim for over 14 years.

[M2]

Dave check this out:

www.assemblyboard.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=354;start=15

and this:
www.assemblyboard.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=528;start=msg12828

Marcia

[outdeep]

Dave check this out:

www.assemblyboard.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=354;start=15

and this:
www.assemblyboard.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=528;start=msg12828

Marcia

Thanks, Marcia, for the reminder.  I was out of the Assembly before any kind of off-based teaching concerning Christ came out (I left in 1990).  However, Tim did actively support the notion that parents uninvolved with the Assembly (as most of them were) were a hinderance to what God was doing.  

In some ways, this was much less tramatic for me because I was already predisposed to this thinking.  Joining the Assembly was part of my late-adolescent rebellion and so I gladly welcomed teaching that separated me from my family.  Years later, I realized how wrong this was and attempted to make ammends.  At that point in my life, however, a mature person who would have helped me with my relationship with my parents would have been good - instead of Tim who taught me I needed to be out of their grip and into a brother's house.

But, then this kind of thinking permiated all the leaders and followers in the Assembly.  (Maybe not Tom, but he was kind of a disappointment). [Wink face here]

-Dave

[matthew r. sciaini]

Uh Oh:

I would be careful about speaking of the Fullerton people that way (that they should be committed to a psychiatric institution).  Any that I've spoken to seem saner than ever (there are few left that still meet at the Senior multi-service center).

I know you're bitter about Tim (for good reason), but try and make distinctions even in your anger.  By no means was/is everybody that was/is involved in the assembly  was on such a big power trip as was the Geftakys
family.  

A lot of what I have seen in the past couple of years is "delayed reaction"....understandable, but definitely things have changed for just about everyone involved.

Matt Sciaini