Tim Geftakys in the Placentia assembly

[matthew r. sciaini]

Tom:

Yes, I've met Floyd Police a few times.  In fact, I borrowed one of his books from a friend of mine. 
It was sort of like Testimony to Jesus, but far more readable and more humble in its tone.  It was something with the subtitle "Talks on the Church", but I can't remember the exact title, even though it is on my nightstand as I e-mail right now. 

Ironically enough, the daughter of Bro. Harrison and her husband are at Puente Valley.  I guess in the early days of Geftakys they were involved with GG but quickly left after a seminar or two, according to different accounts.

As far as it goes with Tim, I don't think he will "take over" anywhere.

People "get" him.

Matt

[Mark Kisla]

Marcia,

You said:
The real question is whether or not the annointing of God as experienced by OT prophets, priests, and kings is a reality today.

The rite of annointing symbolized the conferring of the presence of the Holy Spirit upon the subject.  It was reserved, in OT times, for a very small class of people.  Leaders of various types mostly.

But at Pentecost the Holy Spirit was poured out on the entire church.  One of those present on that occassion wrote: "As for you, the annointing you received from Him abides in you..." I John 2:27.

So, the real issue is not whether or not GG could "pass on the annointing".  It is whether or not this is even possible in this age. Personally, I don't think so.  Pentecost marks a significant change in God's dealings with man, particularly the church.

Thomas Maddux

Tom,
I agree with you that things changed at Pentecost regarding the Holy Spirit.
George once asked to meet with me privately, it concluded with George putting his hands on my head and shoulder, praying for Gods annointing on me. I found it a confusing experience. Are you or anyone else aware of George doing this type of thing?

[Oscar]

Tom:

Yes, I've met Floyd Police a few times.  In fact, I borrowed one of his books from a friend of mine. 
It was sort of like Testimony to Jesus, but far more readable and more humble in its tone.  It was something with the subtitle "Talks on the Church", but I can't remember the exact title, even though it is on my nightstand as I e-mail right now.

Matt,

You notice the similarity.  All of these folks have drunk deeply of the Deeper Life and Restoration of the NT church movements.   Plymouth Brethrenism has these ideas deeply imbedded.

Ironically enough, the daughter of Bro. Harrison and her husband are at Puente Valley.  I guess in the early days of Geftakys they were involved with GG but quickly left after a seminar or two, according to different accounts.

As far as it goes with Tim, I don't think he will "take over" anywhere.

People "get" him.

Matt

I remember him.  His name was Mike if I remember correctly.  Sadly, his parents went into the Witness Lee movement and presented him with an ultimatum...join the One True Church or we will break off fellowship with you.  They were in the Whittier group for several years before that.

Mike didn't join the Witness Lee group.  I wonder how that all turned out.  I hope they came to their senses.

Man...that was at least 25 years ago.

Thomas Maddux

[Oscar]

Tom,
I agree with you that things changed at Pentecost regarding the Holy Spirit.
George once asked to meet with me privately, it concluded with George putting his hands on my head and shoulder, praying for Gods annointing on me. I found it a confusing experience. Are you or anyone else aware of George doing this type of thing?

I don't remember anything like that.  He prayed for lots of folks, but the laying on of hands bit is new to me.

Thomas Maddux

[Eulaha L. Long]

There was a single sister in SLO, who was undergoing surgery.  During the Sunday morning meeting, George called her to the front of the room, along with the leading brothers.  I distinctly remember George and the lb's laying hands on her.  I also think he even had holy water..Brent, if you were there, can you tell me if indeed there was holy water?

[outdeep]

There was a single sister in SLO, who was undergoing surgery.  During the Sunday morning meeting, George called her to the front of the room, along with the leading brothers.  I distinctly remember George and the lb's laying hands on her.  I also think he even had holy water..Brent, if you were there, can you tell me if indeed there was holy water?

I wasn't there, but in my experiences, the leadership didn't use holy water which is a Catholic idea.  However, they did on few occasions anoint the sick with oil.  I have seen this in other non-charasmatic churches as they base this practice on James 5:14.

[Eulaha L. Long]

David,

Yes, I believe it was indeed oil, and not holy water.

[matthew r. sciaini]

Tom:

Rest assured, brother, Mike is doing just fine.  During the time that I was attending there (August 2003)  he requested that we pray for him and his wife for a visit to his parents that were living in Oregon.   No, he stayed at Puente Valley and is one of the teachers there.  Apparently his parents "came around" at some point regarding their relationship with him, if not regarding their relationship with the Witness Lee group.

I don't know that I have an issue with "Deeper Life" per se, and at least at this place they acknowledge T. Austin Sparks (about 75% of the books on their table are by him).  I can't recall ever seeing anything by Sparks on the Geftakys booktable, and I was involved with it the last few years of my stay in the Assembly.

Regarding Tim, one can pray that if he anticipates any kind of renewal of position or possession or power as under the old guard, may the Lord have mercy on him and dash his hopes, even in the good ol' Placentia assembly.



Matt Sciaini

[dan f]

Let me guess...Fullerton wouldn't let him play leader so he's off to Placentia where they can ease him him, he can show how much "God had changed him" and he can play "leading brother" sometime soon.

Living off tithes is probably a heck of a lot easier than selling real estate.

It is just shocking to me that after all that has been exposed about this Craptakys ministry, people still want to keep it going.

Per the California department of real estate data shown below, it looks like Tim is no longer in the real estate business.  Must be back to mooching off of college students...


License Type:
 SALESPERSON

 
Name:
 Geftakys, Timothy M

 
Mailing Address:
 122 W FLORENCE AVE #23
LA HABRA, CA 90631

 
License ID:
 01407048

 
Expiration Date:
 12/05/07

 
License Status:
 CONDITIONAL SUSPENSION

 
Original License Date:
 12/06/03 (Unofficial -- taken from secondary records)
[size=20pt]Conditional Salesperson License was suspended 06/07/05. Education to maintain license per section 10153.4 has not been met. Requirement must be met by 12/05/07.[/size]
 
Former Name(s):
 NO FORMER NAMES

 
Employing Broker:
 NO CURRENT EMPLOYING BROKER

 
Comment:
 NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION

 
 06/07/05 - CONDITIONAL LICENSE SUSPENSION. EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS NOT FILED.

 
 >>>> Public information request complete <<<<

 

[summer007]

Just stopped in to say Hello hav'ent been here in awhile. Good to see Verne has'nt lost his spunk,er fire. Question anyone may answer....Does Tim.G. follow the 7th day teaching of his father GG and do the Assm cults still teach this? and Why? would WLA have false teachers sit in (GG) for the Lord's supper? I think the answer is self-explanetory, but it shows how aberrant the place is. Does WLA teach 7th day or did they straighten out the heresys over-all? Does Mark M teach this too, or was he just blind sided by George? as his Father figure has anyone made sence of this as an excuse for leading many astray ? Lest anyone forget. "Forgetting what is behind and pressing for what is ahead" Phil 3.  Thanks Summer. p.s. Brent if your out there anywhere I hope your doing well you and your Family. Pop in and say Hi sometime. Good-Day!

[d3z]

I remember Tim preaching against the 7th day creation (when GG wasn't around) back when the assembly was still going.  Now, Tim had some of his own weird ideas, but I don't think he ever bought into this one.