Dear Al,
...To answer your questions --
Before anyone takes seriously anything you have to say, Sondra, it is reasonable to request that you post:
1. Who do you say that Jesus is?
Read my book. It's on line.
www.soaringwiththeeagles.com It's all in my book.
2. What is the "good news" which the Bible calls the Gospel?
Read my book. It's on line.
www.soaringwiththeeagles.com It's all in my book.
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I apologize for inadequately stating my point, Sondra: Before you ask anyone to take you seriously on
this board, You should answer those two questions on
this board. It's just a common courtesy.
You have been unhindered by any of us as you freely and repeatedly invite the readers here to come over to your BB and read your "book." I have been there, and I have stopped going there well over a year ago for reasons that I have stated more than once. I also cannot recommend that anyone visit the SWTE site, and have counselled against it. Even the few quotes that you have brought onto this thread are unsavory in my opinion. But that's just my opinion.
Your unwillingness to say who you think that Jesus Christ is and what you believe the Gospel to be says far more about you than I could. I am not engaged in a power struggle with you. If you have control issues, I won't be joining you in a verbal wrestling match. But there surely must be a more valid reason for your refusal to speak here of Jesus Christ and His Gospel than that you have written a book elsewhere. I have never heard of a Christian author who wasn't delighted to speak of his/her Redeemer at any opportunity...
It is pleasant to see that your tenure at SWTE has made you a much clearer communicator. I, too, have changed a lot since you and I first exchanged PMs & EMs, and I owe much of my spiritual growth to hard lessons I have been taught on this board. You may have forgot that my early days here were spent taking a hammering for stating the good things I had learned from GG & the assy. Tom M. has also stated that he learned from GG's ministry. These statements are not popular here. I was also severely castigated by the powers that then ruled this board, for sticking up for Matt & Luke when others criticized them. I felt like I was being drawn & quartered, but I slowly learned that our Lord would not forsake me during those times, and ultimately I was edified by such experiences.
The GABB is certainly not a perfect place. The problem with it is that all the posters are people, and people have problems, baggage, hangups... But that's really as good as it gets in this life: our God is changing us from glory to glory, but there are more changes needed than a mere lifetime can allow for, so none of us are going to be perfect until that glorious Day of the Lord.
Here is a post from SWTE to get you started--
Quote from: al Hartman on Today at 05:30:13pm
Moreover, in all her posts on this thread Sonja has mentioned Christ by name once, and the name of Jesus not at all. All that blather about "knowing God" and "the spirit" can be commonly heard among unbelievers and apostates. And their being interspersed with such taunting, badgering, unlovely drivel (whether or not she believes it is deserved) makes their source all the more suspect. Beware of anyone who is ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ.
Before anyone takes seriously anything you have to say, Sondra, it is reasonable to request that you post:
1. Who do you say that Jesus is?
2. What is the "good news" which the Bible calls the Gospel?
Because of Jesus Christ,
al Hartman
General Category / General Topics / Re:What or Who Is A Believer & How Do You Recognize One? on: Today at 06:35:17pm
Started by Affirming | Last post by Bob Smith
Mr. Alvin,
What is that supposed to mean. Are you implying Sondra isn't saved? That she is an unbeliever? That is isn't a child of God? That she is a heretic? That she is the unfruitful works of darkness? You see, that is what Verne calls her.
No, Sir. What I said to Verne was addressed to Verne. What I said to Sondra was addressed to her, and has nothing whatever to do with Verne. If she has an axe to grind with him, it should be done decently and in order, not publicly, where it can confuse and discourage the Lord's little ones. If Verne owes her a public apology, there is a proper way to go about getting it, and a consequence if he is deemed guilty and refuses to comply.
Any implications you may have drawn from my words are your own responsibility. I said only what I meant to say, and I only meant what I actually said.
Now lets suppose that all of that were true. What difference does that make? Does that mean Verne is justified in his verbal slander? Being saved is not a prerequisite to being treated with respect, is it?
If you truly mean to discuss this with me, Bob (and I apologize if I have mocked your anonymity in the past-- I probably did, and it was unwarranted), we will have to address one subject at a time. Sondra's confession of Christ and the Gospel on this thread is one; Verne's conduct is another altogether. Being saved, and being respectful or respected are subjects in themselves.
If your supposition were true then you should be ministering the gospel to her. You should be showing the love and compassion that the Lord Jesus showed and lead her to the place where she can drink freely of living waters.
Frankly, Bob, it is
your supposition, that you can draw your own implications from my words and then tell me how I should be conducting myself that troubles me. Spiritual-sounding phrases are plentiful and found in many places, not all of which are desirable. Please pardon my skepticism, but the lingo of SWTEers is reminiscent of my days in pentecostal/charismatic circles, where nearly everyone tried to impress one another with our spiritual-sounding talk and virtually none of us knew what we were talking
about. If the Bible is not the authority by which our experiences are evaluated, what is? Surely not the experience itself?!
But you know what Mr. Alvin, it isn't true. I am also a bit surprised at your implication. If you need to know about Sondra, that is S O N D R A, just like it sounds, then read SWTE. You may be encouraged by some of her spiritual insights.
Once again, Bob, any implications are your own creations, not mine.
I don't
need to know anything about Sondra, but she owes it to all those before whom she is parading her personal vendetta, to assure them whether she is indeed speaking as a Christian or as just a "spiritual" mystic.
I have read SWTE, and regretably I found nothing there that I would consider encouraging.
Bob cuts through the malarky pretty quick. I think his points are well taken, Al.
I'm sure you do, as is your privelege. My replies should suffice to say what I think of them.
Because of Jesus Christ,
al
